2018 Offseason And Targets

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Super said:
i didn't say haniger isn't in atlanta because of markakis. there are a bunch of reasons he's not. you're making this discussion something it never was.
i said the braves won't be acquiring a starting-caliber OF before the season. and yes, that's due to markakis. he simply was not signed to be a backup, and he simply won't be a backup unless he starts to tank. he was signed to be, hopefully, part of a platoon. the braves needed an OF and turned back to markakis. if you think they'll make him a backup short of falling off a cliff, by all means, continue to believe that.
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you can make whatever other point you want to make and I'm cool with it.

I just responded to the implication that the Braves wouldn't acquire Haniger (or didn't acquire Haniger) because they signed Markakis. Maybe you didn't intend to imply that. It certainly seemed like you did, but I understand how that works sometimes.

If the Braves like Haniger, and I'm not sure why they wouldn't, and the Mariners offered them a package they consider reasonable, Markakis would be on the bench or out of town before you could hand calculate his BILE.

I feel pretty confident the reason Haniger isn't in Atlanta or somewhere else is that the Mariners didn't particularly want to trade him.


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Also, the Braves have a pretty good idea of what a "starting caliber OF" would cost to acquire. If they aren't getting one before the season, it's because they don't want to pay that price and it's not likely to be any cheaper now than it was before.

I sort of anticipate picking up another OF before they break camp that hit's RH if there is one out there to get.
 
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Super said:
and i severely doubt that.
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That's where we disagree. I think the front office would be perfectly happy to upgrade Markakis and relegate him to the bench if the opportunity presented itself at a reasonable price. I suspect that's ultimately the plan at the deadline potentially.

But they've already scoured the market and know what is available now and what it would cost. So it's not particularly likely that anything major gets done.
 
Super said:
and i severely doubt that.
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So if they traded for someone at the deadline. Let's say the Cards are out of it and the Braves got Ozuna, Nick would still start?

If the Braves got a starting type outfielder at the deadline, Nick would without a doubt move to a bench role.
 
Heyward said:
So if they traded for someone at the deadline. Let's say the Cards are out of it and the Braves got Ozuna, Nick would still start?

If the Braves got a starting type outfielder at the deadline, Nick would without a doubt move to a bench role.
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Pretty sure Super is saying they aren't willing to spend the resources on a better OF, therefore/because Markakis is the guy. I don't disagree with him.
 
Heyward said:
So if they traded for someone at the deadline. Let's say the Cards are out of it and the Braves got Ozuna, Nick would still start?

If the Braves got a starting type outfielder at the deadline, Nick would without a doubt move to a bench role.
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is that what you got out of what i said? yikes. read it all again.
 
So we’re willing to give Kimbrel a short term deal, at what point does he realize the long term deal isn’t available to him anywhere?
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
If he hasn't yet, I'm not sure what will make him realize it
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If he sits out past the start of the season then he’s an idiot. Some team could have an injury of course and it would pivot to Craig but they would probably still not want a long term pack with him. If a team is offering 3 years he better take it.
 
Hudson2 said:
If he sits out past the start of the season then he’s an idiot. Some team could have an injury of course and it would pivot to Craig but they would probably still not want a long term pack with him. If a team is offering 3 years he better take it.
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Not necessarily so.

Let's say he sits out until just after the draft. No more comp pick. Then he could sign to play out the rest of the year, likely for near what he could get now, given the likelihood of injury to a closer on a team that thinks its a contender OR possibly sign a longer term deal without losing any 2019 money with a team willing to sign him but not give up a pick.

Let's say he waits until first week of June to sign but gets into pitching shape between now and then so he has minimal ramp time. He signs with the Braves (for instance) for 4/$68M with a $12M signing bonus ~ $12M+$8M in 2019, $16M, $16M, $16M. The Braves don't lose the pick, he gets his cash for 2019 and Braves pro-rate the signing bonus giving a payroll effect of $11M, 19, 19, 19.

I'm NOT saying the Braves should do it. I'm saying they and Kimbrel could do it, and everybody but Boston ends up happy.

But there is risk for Kimbrel. What if he hurts himself between now and then? What if his target team, say the Braves, finds a young phenom closer for ML minimum between now and then, etc.
 
No team is gonna sign him for 4 years in June when they could just sign him for 4 years now and have him for the first half. I get the draft pick part but it would still take him several weeks to a month to get into facing MLB batters.
 
I have a feeling if we weren't boned due to the international draft penalties, we would have already signed him. Not being able to get big international signees makes the compensation pick important. Who knows, that pick may end up being a bust scrub in 6 years. Hard to tell.

If Liberty is willing to give the OK and give AA a little bit of breathing room at deadline to pick up another piece if it puts us over the top I thinks it's done already.
 
Hudson2 said:
No team is gonna sign him for 4 years in June when they could just sign him for 4 years now and have him for the first half. I get the draft pick part but it would still take him several weeks to a month to get into facing MLB batters.
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I don't think so. Again, if Minter or Viz or Sobotka or somebody emerges as a shut down closer in the first part of the season, then they don't need Kimbrel (but someone probably still would). If they don't emerge, and the Braves are looking like a potential contender, then they will have to at least consider trading for a proven closer at the deadline. As you will remember, the Cubs and Indians payed fortunes for closers at the deadline a few years ago.

Signing Kimbrel in early June and giving him 6 weeks to get ready (about what he would get in a full ST) would put him available about the time of the trade deadline. It makes some sense. But it's a gamble on Kimbrel's part, no doubt. But at this point, what are his options? Take a 1 year deal just to get out from under the pick shadow and go through the process again next offseason, a year older with a fastball a bit slower? That's a gamble too.
 
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