Fans always have and always will overrate the offseason, on both ends. Teams that don't make tons of big moves have moved backward. Teams that made big splashes are now WS favorites. Over the long term, the smart, successful franchises are the ones who build from within, always prioritize value and looking toward the future, and make complementary moves on the FA/trade markets....not the teams who 'go for it' it one offseason.
2018 Offseason And Targets
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Fans always have and always will overrate the offseason, on both ends. Teams that don't make tons of big moves have moved backward. Teams that made big splashes are now WS favorites. Over the long term, the smart, successful franchises are the ones who build from within, always prioritize value and looking toward the future, and make complementary moves on the FA/trade markets....not the teams who 'go for it' it one offseason.
I feel for you, bro.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I've essentially been predicting this for 3+ years. It's why I wanted to trade Freeman (+Inciarte, +Teheran (when he had value), +Markakis, plus anyone else that could bring something back). If they would have done that, then they would have had a clear plan of a true rebuild - gather as much high end talent as possible in waves and when the waves begin to reach the majors have a huge amount of payroll space and positional flexibility to make moves with an eye on short and long term success.
Instead, they kept all those guys with Freeman now being a non starter for trade because of the supposed closeness of the team, with Inciarte beginning to show signs of decline but also being in a position of hard to trade from an internal standpoint because of where the team is on the field, and Teheran having regressed into negative value but eating needed payroll space.
Now they've reached purgatory status - not good enough to really win and sustain winning, not bad enough to admit a bad plan and throw in the towel and start over. And they don't have the payroll space to just buy what they need on a short term basis which puts them in a trading position of weakness against teams wanting to trade because those teams know the Braves have to improve only through trade. This puts AA in a defensive position of protecting his assets which earns him the praise of "not panicking" and wasting his assets.
Everyone says they'll wait until mid season. What if they are 5 games below .500 at mid season? Or, even AT .500 but with the Nats and Phillies fighting it out at 8-10 games OVER .500? Is that the right time? Or, do they look at attendance, influenced by the record, and say " revenue isn't meeting projections so no justifiable reason to add payroll.
Even if they DO add at the deadline, what are they buying? 3 months of an Aroldis Chapman? A couple of years of a back end reliever like a Miller?
The overall plan sucks and has always sucked. Sure, there have been some good things. But the waste and lack of vision is just disheartening.
Instead, they kept all those guys with Freeman now being a non starter for trade because of the supposed closeness of the team, with Inciarte beginning to show signs of decline but also being in a position of hard to trade from an internal standpoint because of where the team is on the field, and Teheran having regressed into negative value but eating needed payroll space.
Now they've reached purgatory status - not good enough to really win and sustain winning, not bad enough to admit a bad plan and throw in the towel and start over. And they don't have the payroll space to just buy what they need on a short term basis which puts them in a trading position of weakness against teams wanting to trade because those teams know the Braves have to improve only through trade. This puts AA in a defensive position of protecting his assets which earns him the praise of "not panicking" and wasting his assets.
Everyone says they'll wait until mid season. What if they are 5 games below .500 at mid season? Or, even AT .500 but with the Nats and Phillies fighting it out at 8-10 games OVER .500? Is that the right time? Or, do they look at attendance, influenced by the record, and say " revenue isn't meeting projections so no justifiable reason to add payroll.
Even if they DO add at the deadline, what are they buying? 3 months of an Aroldis Chapman? A couple of years of a back end reliever like a Miller?
The overall plan sucks and has always sucked. Sure, there have been some good things. But the waste and lack of vision is just disheartening.
CrazyTrain
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JD is an expensive draft pick.
Southcack77
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Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Southcack77
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What he said
CrazyTrain
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Literally this guy spends half his time doing analytics that he's not paid for and just brings up the same tired, BS to try and make fun of people with the other half.
What does he do for work? Does he have a family?
I struggle to understand why the mods allow him to just make fun of people all the time. The funny part was when that one guy proved that he was wrong once and he just tried to wiggle out of it.
Mindboggling.
I'm a real engineer, not a salesman who calls himself an engineer lol.
These analytics take a minimal amount of my time, and are completed while I wait for code to compile or test runs to finish.
don't get your panties in such a twist. sheesh. i literally said, in the post *you replied to* that i was disappointed with the offseason as well.
the team is better than last year, tho, so i don't get the constant whining and making objectively false claims. carry on.
bravesfanMatt
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I am not meaning to project my saltiness towards anyone here. It is all directed to the liars in the FO.
it is annoying that they are STILL saying there's money to spend when there clearly is not. they definitely think the fans are stupid. at one point i started to believe them, but abandoned that long ago. we won't be up to $140M this season. at any point.
While it's no surprise to see you struggle to understand something...
Pot, meet kettle...
CrazyTrain
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I have a ****ing engineering degree, you idiot. I was an engineer for 9 years before I moved to sales. I sell highly technical solutions that require me to still be an engineer and perform engineering tasks. If you don't think I'm a "real engineer", I don't know what to tell you.
We have a ****load of grunts like you who do our coding. If you ever find yourself out of a job, I can hook you up. The nerds play Magic The Gathering in the cafeteria if that's your sorta thing.
I promise you can't afford me.
Now off you go to sell some doodads to someone...doodads designed by real engineers.
CrimsonCowboy
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I’m getting tired of the back and forth crap. Stop all of it right now. I’m getting tired of seeing this thread constantly derailed by the same nonsense. Now get back on topic.
CrazyTrain
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LOL, please. You're a valuable asset to your company, yet spend almost your entire day here? I do sell doodads designed by other engineers, but I bring them together into a system that I engineered along with others on our team.
But ya... you write F code. Sounds like you're less of an engineer than I am. You're a software developer. What kind of mechanical keyboard do you have, nerd?
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