2020 Field

Wouldn't it be nice if a President could get elected without promising to hand out enormous amounts of candy with no real intention of being able to pay for it?
 
oh that old right wing trope " how do you pay for it"
How tribal
…………

standing still is far worse than the short term outlay.
Suppose Reagan had not taken the solar panels off of the WH in 1981 ?

Suppose we had a financially accessible higher education system ?
Like we did before the 1980's


You must read more of what Sanders proposes,
in his words
 
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striker42 said:
Wouldn't it be nice if a President could get elected without promising to hand out enormous amounts of candy with no real intention of being able to pay for it?
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Kaniela Ing

@KanielaIng
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Klobuchar says sheʻs against
@BernieSanders
"socialist philosophy" because she believes in supporting entrepreneurs.

But how many millions more would start businesses if they didnʻt

have to worry about healthcare for themselves, their families, and employees?
 
striker42 said:
Wouldn't it be nice if a President could get elected without promising to hand out enormous amounts of candy with no real intention of being able to pay for it?
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Much easier to invent a ridiculous economic theory (MMT) and pretend it simply doesn’t matter.
 
57Brave said:
oh that old right wing trope " how do you pay for it"
How tribal
…………

standing still is far worse than the short term outlay.
Suppose Reagan had not taken the solar panels off of the WH in 1981 ?

Suppose we had a financially accessible higher education system ?
Like we did before the 1980's


You must read more of what Sanders proposes,
in his words
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My biggest issue at the national level is the national debt and deficit spending. I'm being completely honest when I say that I really don't care if the government funds higher education or has a single payer system so long as it's done in a fiscally responsible way.

Just so you know, I oppose a lot of the Republican pushed tax cuts based on the same principle. You don't cut your revenue unless you make at the very least equivalent spending cuts. The dogmatic belief that cutting taxes increases revenue is nonsense. It can happen but not at the tax rates we see in the US.

Here's my problem anytime candy is being given out (whether it be new spending or tax cuts). The lack of passing a way to pay for the candy is not considered a barrier to the handing out of the candy. "We'll give out tax cut X and pay for it by cutting spending Y". A bill establishing tax cut X passes, a bill cutting spending Y doesn't. The same is true for new spending "We'll create program X and pay for it with tax increase Y". Program X passes, tax increase Y does not.
 
57Brave said:
Ryan Struyk

@ryanstruyk


Sanders won more voters under 30 years old in New Hampshire
than all of the other candidates *combined* according to
@CNN exit polls.
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We'll see if the 2018 trends keep up. If people under 30 turn out to vote in 2020 like they did 2018, the Dems stand a very good chance.
 
cajunrevenge said:
NH called for Bernie. Biden a humiliating 5th.
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Bernie is the right man. It's clear. He won NH and virtually won Iowa. Super Tuesday will end a lot of elections. It should narrow the field to 3 or 4. Bernie, Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Klobuchar will be all that's left after Super Tuesday unless Biden convices Obama to come support him. Maybe Steyer keeps running because he has the money. Maybe from 4th place Biden runs but I'm sure the establishment will switch to Buttigieg or Klobuchar. I mean it has to be a star warning that Biden and warren combined in NH got less votes than even Klobuchar.

Best bet for the dems right now if they don't want Bernie to get the nomination is to consolidate and rally behind Buttigieg. THey'll lose the election though.
 
I think this will be a rather protracted race. Barring a miracle, Biden and Warren are done. This leaves 4. Sanders will continue to do well in some states. I think he will win California. But keep in mind that Democratic Party rules require delegates to be issued on a proportional basis. So while winning in California and elsewhere, he won't be collecting a majority of delegates. The majority will be split between Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar. Those three will split the non-Bernie vote. I think there is a good chance all three stay in the race for the duration. At the end they will make a deal between themselves. Possibly the one with the most delegates will the nominee and the one in second will get the veep spot. But basically this is now looking like a race between Bernie and not-Bernie.
 
zitothebrave said:
Bernie is the right man. It's clear. He won NH and virtually won Iowa. Super Tuesday will end a lot of elections. It should narrow the field to 3 or 4. Bernie, Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Klobuchar will be all that's left after Super Tuesday unless Biden convices Obama to come support him. Maybe Steyer keeps running because he has the money. Maybe from 4th place Biden runs but I'm sure the establishment will switch to Buttigieg or Klobuchar. I mean it has to be a star warning that Biden and warren combined in NH got less votes than even Klobuchar.

Best bet for the dems right now if they don't want Bernie to get the nomination is to consolidate and rally behind Buttigieg. THey'll lose the election though.
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The only positive I see in Boot edge edge is the thought of Trump handing things over to Pete and his Husband. Fox news will foam at the mouth daily.
 
cajunrevenge said:
The only positive I see in Boot edge edge is the thought of Trump handing things over to Pete and his Husband. Fox news will foam at the mouth daily.
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I mean as a white man, I don't have any true personal loss of Buttigieg. He's running on basically all the things Obama passed. Which is safe and will keep the moderates happy.
 
who saw this coming Jan 1 ?

Warren's done. Canceling ad buys in SC and Nevada after that NH performance, it's over. Only questions are:

How long will it take
Will she try to take Bernie down with her
 
57Brave said:
who saw this coming Jan 1 ?

Warren's done. Canceling ad buys in SC and Nevada after that NH performance, it's over. Only questions are:

How long will it take
Will she try to take Bernie down with her
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Would think she would be around the too of the list for a cabinet position. Probably mixed any chance of VP.
 
Taniel
@Taniel


Sanders leads Texas Tribune poll of Texas: 24% to Biden's 22%.
Warren gets to 15% threshold.
(Others far behind: Bloomberg 10% despite having Super Tuesday to himself, Buttigieg 7%, Klobuchar only 3%.)

Sanders is also strongest against Trump, down 2%. Others close: down 3-5%.
 
Wondered that too but I think that number is Texas.

Nationally they all poll 3-9 points higher than Trump.
It is still very early
 
Latest state polls are all over the place:

Texas: Sanders 24, Biden 22, Warren 15, Bloomberg 10, Buttigieg 7, Klobuchar 3

Georgia: Biden 32, Sanders 14, Bloomberg 14, Buttigieg 5, Warren 4, Klobuchar 3

Florida: Bloomberg 27, Biden 26, Buttigieg 11, Sanders 10, Klobuchar 9, Warren 5

Comments on individual candidates:

Biden: Looks like he could still do well in the southern states. Outside the South, not so much. I think I was premature in writing him off after New Hampshire.

Warren: Toast

Sanders: Will win in states like California, Oregon, Washington. Likely will not win in the South, Texas poll notwithstanding. Midwest could be the key for Bernie.

Buttigieg & Klobuchar: Not much sign their strong showings in New Hampshire are translating into a national bounce. But I think those two have a lot of upside.

Bloomberg: I think he will do well on Super Tuesday. Likely a kingmaker. Not likely the king.
 
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