2023 Misc Braves Talk

Since the deadline we are 6-5 in starts by pitchers other than our top 4. Wright seems close to back. Did we really need someone like Lorenzen?
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Bowman: The Braves have Morton and TBA listed for tomorrow's doubleheader. Strider is sick, so he's pushed back to Wednesday. They are out of arms, so Kyle Wright could end up starting a game tomorrow.
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Interesting AJSS wouldn't be getting a start since he's already on the roster. I hope Wright isn't rushed.
 
Frek21 said:
Since the deadline we are 6-5 in starts by pitchers other than our top 4. Wright seems close to back. Did we really need someone like Lorenzen?
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I never said that the Braves were in any danger of losing the division. I can even be quoted as saying at the deadline that if it is not an ace then the Braves don’t need him. But I might have been wrong. The starting pitching is very thin right now and I hope that the Braves don’t push guys and jeopardize health in the playoffs. I mean if twit pushes mort to 115 pitches because he knows he has hot garbage starting in game 2. Well that could hurt if mort goes down to orb shoulder fatigue. So questioning the decision not to get some reinforcements is dumb. It is quite legit imo. We all remember what a strained oblique can do to playoff hopes.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I never said that the Braves were in any danger of losing the division. I can even be quoted as saying at the deadline that if it is not an ace then the Braves don’t need him. But I might have been wrong. The starting pitching is very thin right now and I hope that the Braves don’t push guys and jeopardize health in the playoffs. I mean if twit pushes mort to 115 pitches because he knows he has hot garbage starting in game 2. Well that could hurt if mort goes down to orb shoulder fatigue. So questioning the decision not to get some reinforcements is dumb. It is quite legit imo. We all remember what a strained oblique can do to playoff hopes.
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The braves keep pushing guys back a day for more rest. Morton hasn't pitched since last Sunday, so he's going on a full week of rest
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I never said that the Braves were in any danger of losing the division. I can even be quoted as saying at the deadline that if it is not an ace then the Braves don’t need him. But I might have been wrong. The starting pitching is very thin right now and I hope that the Braves don’t push guys and jeopardize health in the playoffs. I mean if twit pushes mort to 115 pitches because he knows he has hot garbage starting in game 2. Well that could hurt if mort goes down to orb shoulder fatigue. So questioning the decision not to get some reinforcements is dumb. It is quite legit imo. We all remember what a strained oblique can do to playoff hopes.
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They’ve been resting guys since at least the deadline. 11 out 37 games have been started by someone outside the top four.
 
It's been 37 games started of the big 4, and 16 other starts, but Fried was not pitching for all of that. Fried's first start was August 4th, and in those 37 DAYS the Braves big 4 have pitched in 26 of 32 games. If they had gone to a 5 DAY schedule, they could have skipped that 5th guy sometimes and got them all 7 starts with Fried getting an 8th. So they are obviously giving some guys extra rest, which makes sense since the Braves had a 11.5 game lead when Fried made that first start.
 
msstate7 said:
The braves keep pushing guys back a day for more rest. Morton hasn't pitched since last Sunday, so he's going on a full week of rest
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ok, but if the Braves are pushing guys back for rest, then how are they out of arms and possibly going to rush Wright back.. I think guys are getting pushed because of matchups, but also illness and possible fatigue. Wouldn't skipping starts be more effective for a pitcher versus just pushing a day. I mean if they are truely doing this to 'rest' pitchers.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
ok, but if the Braves are pushing guys back for rest, then how are they out of arms and possibly going to rush Wright back.. I think guys are getting pushed because of matchups, but also illness and possible fatigue. Wouldn't skipping starts be more effective for a pitcher versus just pushing a day. I mean if they are truely doing this to 'rest' pitchers.
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I don't know. I just think you're seeing a problem that doesn't exist. At the break, the braves were up 9 games on Phillies and 4 games on O's for best record. Right now, the braves 15 up on Phillies and 3 games on O's.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
ok, but if the Braves are pushing guys back for rest, then how are they out of arms and possibly going to rush Wright back.. I think guys are getting pushed because of matchups, but also illness and possible fatigue. Wouldn't skipping starts be more effective for a pitcher versus just pushing a day. I mean if they are truely doing this to 'rest' pitchers.
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We aren't "out of arms" despite what Bowman says. I think it's pretty clear that AJSS is starting game 2 today.

I know we've been throwing rookies and castoffs every 5th day (and 6th sometimes), but that's because we have the luxury to do so. We are managing innings, simple as that.
 
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zbhargrove said:
I also agree with not getting a SP... I just think it's lame that he goes out of his way to call anyone out who criticizes the team. I don't see how anyone can defend the Murphy usage... he's obviously a much better player when he's playing regularly and struggles when he's not getting regular at bats. Did we really sign a platoon catcher to a 6 year extension? Not to mention we traded significant capital to acquire him.
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Try and attack the argument I’m making instead. Shouldn’t be that difficult right?
 
chop2chip said:
I buy that playing more regularly might keep sharper, but I think that argument cuts both ways. Murphy’s having a career year with a reduced workload. Which one is it?

The six year extension is exactly the reason I support playing TDA as much as possible while he is around and still effective. Every game we save on Murphy is less wear and tear on his body which might prolong his effectiveness.

With that said, let me echo the point I think everyone agrees with. Murphy should be playing every game in the playoffs.
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Yes the “career” part of his year came when he was playing more regularly in the first half. He’s been pretty bad ever since we decided to basically platoon him and TDA 50/50
 
Super said:
Try and attack the argument I’m making instead. Shouldn’t be that difficult right?
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Your argument has been attacked over and over. You’re one of a very few on that side. Your only reason is basically “management is smarter than you guys.”
 
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Carp said:
We aren't "out of arms" despite what Bowman says. I think it's pretty clear that AJSS is starting game 2 today.

I know we've been throwing rookies and castoffs every 5th day (and 6th sometimes), but that's because we have the luxury to do so. We are managing innings, simple as that.
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I think State probably nailed it saying I am probably making more of this than needs to be. I actually didn't mean for a blow up on this.. just that when you see a tweet that says Braves are running out of arms and the team litterally threw Dodd, then Winas (who I actually like) and potentially a BP game with AJSS in 3 days.. it looks like another scrap heap pitcher might not have been a bad idea. Not for the playoffs, or to win the division, but to not tax the pen and make sure the team is fully healthy going into Oct. I suppose when they clinch #1 seed with a week to go, you might see some "IL" in the pen and starting rotation.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Lorenzen was had for a bag of balls. And it is not if he was better than mort or elder. Is he better than Shuster or Dodd. The fact the Braves are running out of arms and rushing wright up tells me that the Braves should have seen that Shusterand Dodd were not mlb pitchers and gotten a scrap heap type to pitch. They don’t need a playoff ace. Just some guys to finish out the season.

It really isn’t a big deal and not something to bring the pitch forks out. But yeah I think I was wrong too when I said at the deadline that the Braves don’t really need pitching.
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This is exactly right, and once again the usual suspects are forgetting the actual case that was made for getting a guy like Lorenzen. The idea being he was a good back end option available for cheap that would prevent the Braves from using those AAAA SPs, and could move to the BP if everything worked out perfectly. But nope, the derptards can’t remember the actual discussion that was being held.

Additionally, Lorenzen was doing well until the Phils cooked him by letting a former BP arm throw 120+ pitches in the no hitter.
 
chop2chip said:
He has a 131 wRC+ since Aug 1st.
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I mean it has only been 85 plate appearances.. basically walks and doubles/homers have boosted a small sample size.. so a good OBP and Slug helped this. But you are right in that Murph is way better than TDA.

Now in the same time span. TDA has had 78 pa and he has a .564 OPS...

So we are 'super resting' Murphy with a SSS of .818 OPS for a guy with a SSS of .564 OPS.... seems logical that those 2 should recieve equal playing time...

We all hope that Murph starts every game in the post season... but I wish there was a sports book that took bets that TDA starts multiple games in the postseason...cause I would probably put some action on it.
 
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