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thethe said:
The propaganda is that Trump is bad for the pro-life movement. No serious person believes that because without Trump the 50 year goal of the pro-life movement never gets achieved.

To actually believe that is clear evidence that you fell victim to it.
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Lol OK thank you for confirming you lied about your accusation that I fell for untrue, Russian propaganda. Please be better in the future amd we can avoid these mind numbing back and forth to expose that lie
 
thethe said:
Its very clear that Aces only cares about the shareholder class and only sees America as an economic area and not an actual country with actual people.
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Aces why do you hate Americans so much by wanting to massively decrease costs and taxes for them?
 
sturg33 said:
Lol OK thank you for confirming you lied about your accusation that I fell for untrue, Russian propaganda. Please be better in the future amd we can avoid these mind numbing back and forth to expose that lie
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That is the accusation.

You fell victim to a concerted effort to divide the Republican voting base against Trump.
 
Garmel said:
We've gotten richer in many areas but when you look at the fact that we're looking at hostile nations like China to be our supplier for many important items like antibiotics this is also not a good thing.

We also rely on other nations for weapons systems and stuff like that. That's a direct danger to our national security.

Before I get accused of being in the MAGA cult you may criticize Trump's economic ideas but there's no doubt that America had it's greatest media income in over a century during Trump's term. That's 100% fact.
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I don’t dispute the median income numbers under Trump…I dispute the claim that tariffs were a driver of that net income (rather than deregulation efforts, tax cuts, etc.). Because any credible economic analysis I’ve seen isolating the tariffs shows them to be a tax paid by Americans and a drag on domestic employment. In line with the majority of the literature and real world data on tariffs collected for years and years.

There may be a place for boosting domestic production for national security reasons, but oftentimes I don’t find that holds up to scrutiny. And it certainly doesn’t provide justification for the size and scope of the tariffs Trump has called for.
 
sturg33 said:
Aces why do you hate Americans so much by wanting to massively decrease costs and taxes for them?
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Imagine thinking that Americans wouldn't trade off having to pay 2 dollars more for a piece of clothing versus having good jobs and more purpose in life.
 
acesfull86 said:
I don’t dispute the median income numbers under Trump…I dispute the claim that tariffs were a driver of that net income (rather than deregulation efforts, tax cuts, etc.). Because any credible economic analysis I’ve seen isolating the tariffs shows them to be a tax paid by Americans and a drag on domestic employment. In line with the majority of the literature and real world data on tariffs collected for years and years.

There may be a place for boosting domestic production for national security reasons, but oftentimes I don’t find that holds up to scrutiny. And it certainly doesn’t provide justification for the size and scope of the tariffs Trump has called for.
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Of course you don't think it has to do with tariffs discouraging offshoring. Because it destroys your whole worldview.

Did Bush not cut dergulation and taxes? Why didn't we see these types of results then?
 
ANd when Trump wins and institutes more tariffs to spur on domestic production (which will be carried on by Vance) the economy will be incredible while people like Aces will still make excuses for it.

"Who cares that more people were benefitting from the economy!"
 
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thethe said:
That is the accusation.

You fell victim to a concerted effort to divide the Republican voting base against Trump.
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Just so you're clear I was not voting for Trump before he threw pro lifers under the bus. I will admit to his retreat on protecting life made me personally dislike him well beyond my issues with his political failures
 
thethe said:
Imagine thinking that Americans wouldn't trade off having to pay 2 dollars more for a piece of clothing versus having good jobs and more purpose in life.
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biggest issue I see from Republican voters is inflation.

You might be right about liberals though. They would gladly pay more $ so long as they can slaughter their child
 
acesfull86 said:
Gotten quite used to economic debates with people who argue in bad faith
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reminds me when thethe accuses me of hating poor people and old people because I disagree with negative policies that pretend to support them

I used to argue with a leftist about things like Obamacare... they would frequently resort to "so you just want millions of people to die, then???"

nothing new, but fun to do it on both sides now!
 
stop the suffering!!!

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I would have thought the Russians would have found someone better to invest in than Tim. Dimitri Simes at least has some sort of pseudo gloss to him
 
Tim was a victim, not a perpetrator. Even the DOJ admits that.

I'm cautious of this whole thing

To be fair I'm leery of the FBI raiding the dems in NY. You can't trust those ****s.
 
Garmel said:
Tim was a victim, not a perpetrator. Even the DOJ admits that.

I'm cautious of this whole thing

To be fair I'm leery of the FBI raiding the dems in NY. You can't trust those ****s.
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I want to be a victim where I get millions of dollars to shill for Trump.
 
I dont for a second think Tim Pools opinions were influenced by any Russians. He is a world class idiot. He dont need help with that. They just financed him and helped him reach a bigger audience. Maybe the scheme was to prop up a joke like Tim Pool just to make MAGA look bad. I could buy that.
 
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