2025 Around The League Thread

Super said:
I see you conveniently left out what it was before that 93.3. Let me help:
92.6
92.9 (arguably his best season)
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You said, and I quote, "not sure I get the “continues to” statement." I showed you his velocity has progressively fallen 1.7 mph over the last 7 seasons.

Super said:
I doubt 93.1 to 92.9 is a statistically significant decline.
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This is 93.3 to 91.6 though. Or is your argument that no decline is significant if it's done in sufficiently small intervals?

I'm not cherrypicking, I'm trying to show you a trend. You're the one who came in with 'well actually if you throw out the years his ERA was high, he's been a mid-3 ERA pitcher.'
 
rawwr said:
You said, and I quote, "not sure I get the “continues to” statement." I showed you his velocity has progressively fallen 1.7 mph over the last 7 seasons.



This is 93.3 to 91.6 though. Or is your argument that no decline is significant if it's done in sufficiently small intervals?

I'm not cherrypicking, I'm trying to show you a trend. You're the one who came in with 'well actually if you throw out the years his ERA was high, he's been a mid-3 ERA pitcher.'
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I would speculate that he was successful at 92 before.. so it is not out of the realm of possibility that he is successful at the again.. but I am not sure recent results would agree with this... but it is SSS...
 
Nola is on the wrong side of 30 with declining stuff. I doubt he's 5 FIP and 6 ERA bad but he was a 4 FIP guy the last two seasons and he's going to be that at best going forward. Was a bad contract then and it's looking worse now.
 
rawwr said:
You said, and I quote, "not sure I get the “continues to” statement." I showed you his velocity has progressively fallen 1.7 mph over the last 7 seasons.



This is 93.3 to 91.6 though. Or is your argument that no decline is significant if it's done in sufficiently small intervals?

I'm not cherrypicking, I'm trying to show you a trend. You're the one who came in with 'well actually if you throw out the years his ERA was high, he's been a mid-3 ERA pitcher.'
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You said “continues to decline.” This is the first year of real, significant decline. So that’s why the “continues to” doesn’t make sense. Yes, his velo has declined this year. That’s not a continuance. He’s been upper 92 to low 93 his entire career before this year. He was effective at 92.6 and really good at 92.9 and good at 93.1 and they’re all effectively the same.

I literally never said anything like that so I don’t know what you’re quoting but it’s not me. He’s a 3.78 career ERA pitcher. He was a mid 3 ERA pitcher last year. I believe he’s got some injury going on causing his velo to dip. I don’t think he’s “toast” as someone else said based on 49 bad innings this year. I think there’s a good shot he’ll rebound to be roughly the guy he’s always been.
 
Super said:
Toast? Based on 49IP this year? Wild
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I posted his rates and his velocity. Everything is in decline over the last couple of years coming into this season. And it's declined significantly more this year. He isn't close to the ace he was, and this year he has taken an even larger step back. With pitcher's, it tends to go downhill quick.
 
Super said:
You said “continues to decline.” This is the first year of real, significant decline. So that’s why the “continues to” doesn’t make sense. Yes, his velo has declined this year. That’s not a continuance. He’s been upper 92 to low 93 his entire career before this year. He was effective at 92.6 and really good at 92.9 and good at 93.1 and they’re all effectively the same.

I literally never said anything like that so I don’t know what you’re quoting but it’s not me. He’s a 3.78 career ERA pitcher. He was a mid 3 ERA pitcher last year. I believe he’s got some injury going on causing his velo to dip. I don’t think he’s “toast” as someone else said based on 49 bad innings this year. I think there’s a good shot he’ll rebound to be roughly the guy he’s always been.
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Dude I don't know why you decided to start an argument about this, but his velocity literally has a downward trend since his peak. Not ticking back up into the same area. It's a clear and evident downward trend.

And it's a significant drop this year. Take the L and move on.
 
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