7/23 GDT: Dodgers

Dodgers have to pull the best pitcher in the game unexpectedly after 2 and the braves get 2 hits. What a pathetic performance
 
Predictable posters showing up sparingly to talk about a perceived bad move of this current FO. Newk is going to be real good.
 
msstate7 said:
Dodgers have to pull the best pitcher in the game unexpectedly after 2 and the braves get 2 hits. What a pathetic performance
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Rock Alex Wood for 9 runs (more than he's given up all year combined in his starts), cant hit Stripling and Avilan. Baseball for ya.
 
thethe said:
Predictable posters showing up sparingly to talk about a perceived bad move of this current FO. Newk is going to be real good.
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He will be... if he can stop the walks... which he has never shown he can do. I'm bullish on him, but its never gonna happen if he can't stop that part of his game.
 
Enscheff said:
What was Folty's BB/9 that year? What's is Newk's this year?

How much harder did Folty throw?

How many more types of pitches did Folty throw?

Are you still willing to suggest a 23 year old Folty and a 24 year old Newk are at all comparable?
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Folty threw more pitches, but none of them were really effective, including that upper 90's fastball, which hitters tee'd off on with great regularity.

I actually think Folty is a good example of a development path for Newk, for better or worse. I suspect that in two years from now Newk will resemble something close to a league average pitcher that people will dream on being something much more because of his stuff.
 
Enscheff said:
What was Folty's BB/9 that year? What's is Newk's this year?

How much harder did Folty throw?

How many more types of pitches did Folty throw?

Are you still willing to suggest a 23 year old Folty and a 24 year old Newk are at all comparable?
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MiLB careers...

Folty...

646.1 ip 609 h 286 bb 566 k

3.84 era

1.38 whip

.252 baa

Newcomb...

348.1 ip 271 h 186 bb 412 k

3.23 era

1.31 whip

.215 baa
 
Enscheff said:
That isn't even remotely close to answering the questions I posited.
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Bb/9 is concerning for Newcomb, but it's the only stat folty has outdone him at. Newcomb has been better in MiLB and MLB at same stage of their careers. Newcomb will end up being good too
 
msstate7 said:
Bb/9 is concerning for Newcomb, but it's the only stat folty has outdone him at. Newcomb has been better in MiLB and MLB at same stage of their careers. Newcomb will end up being good too
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You're right. Folty only threw harder and had much better command than Newk, who is a year older when making his MLB debut (actually 2 years older, but we won't count Folty's tiny number of innings when he was 22).

Other than that, they're basically the same haha!

We all know how little velocity and command means for pitching success, right?
 
Unless Newk gets better command, he wont become of much.

Still lots of time to get right of course.
 
Enscheff said:
You're right. Folty only threw harder and had much better command than Newk, who is a year older when making his MLB debut (actually 2 years older, but we won't count Folty's tiny number of innings when he was 22).

Other than that, they're basically the same haha!

We all know how little velocity and command means for pitching success, right?
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You saying Newcomb doesn't have the velocity from the left side to be successful? Newcomb's curve is the best pitch between the 2. If Newcomb can master the change, he'll be very good
 
Had no problem dealing Simba when we did. Loved getting Newk. Just hated taking back Aybar in that deal.

Fully believe we will look back in 2 years and be thankful Newk is getting to go through the learning pains this season. Let him pitch the rest of the way, pencil him in next season, let him learn on the job, and just sit back and watch what he becomes.

I'd like for us to open up 2 spots in the rotation by the deadline to do the same for Wisler and Sims. Trade Garcia. Then move one of Dickey or Julio. Personally in the trade Julio now camp. I don't think Dickey has any trade value, but if we could find a taker, ship him out. Bring up Wisler and Sims and let them take their turn every 5 days in August and September. Just find out what they are and if either can pitch at the back of the rotation.
 
Enscheff said:
You're right. Folty only threw harder and had much better command than Newk, who is a year older when making his MLB debut (actually 2 years older, but we won't count Folty's tiny number of innings when he was 22).

Other than that, they're basically the same haha!

We all know how little velocity and command means for pitching success, right?
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No sarcasm here, but why do you identify rookie Folty as an example of success?
 
msstate7 said:
You saying Newcomb doesn't have the velocity from the left side to be successful? Newcomb's curve is the best pitch between the 2. If Newcomb can master the change, he'll be very good
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Take the time to read my post again.

Did I say he doesn't have enough velo, or did I say Folty has better velo?

If if if, that's all you can say about Newk.
 
Enscheff said:
Take the time to read my post again.

Did I say he doesn't have enough velo, or did I say Folty has better velo?

If if if, that's all you can say about Newk.
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It's pretty much what you say about any pitching prospect 8 starts into their career
 
msstate7 said:
It's pretty much what you say about any pitching prospect 8 starts into their career
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Sure, but I'm going to think more highly of the guy who averaged a 97 MPH with a 3 BB/9 than the guy averaging 93 MPH with 6 BB/9.

I suppose you look for other things when evaluating pitchers. That's fine I guess. It's wrong, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
 
Enscheff said:
I don't.

Go back and look at who compared them.

Please try to keep up with the conversation if you're going to chime in.
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TBF, you took a general comment a poster made about willing to be patient with a young pitcher with a similar pedigree and took the leap to infer the poster was stating that they were qualitatively comparable.

But never mind all of that, I am curious what your outlook was for 2015 Folty at the time. It seems to me you feel more optimistic about him than you are Newk now.
 
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