Alberto Callaspo Possibly Being Traded
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dak
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@JonHeymanCBS
Withrow, comin off tommy john next year, threw 98 mph, has sub 3 mlb era. So definitely brings value in callaspo/uribe deal
@JonHeymanCBS
Braves, with 2 starting calibre3B, could flip one of them. Nym, sfg, SD, chiw, cle potential spots (uribe is ex sfg/chiw)
Withrow, comin off tommy john next year, threw 98 mph, has sub 3 mlb era. So definitely brings value in callaspo/uribe deal
@JonHeymanCBS
Braves, with 2 starting calibre3B, could flip one of them. Nym, sfg, SD, chiw, cle potential spots (uribe is ex sfg/chiw)
sturg33
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Agreed it's not a worse contract... but it was a completely dumb and unnecessary move when we had control regardless. And I don't agree that's he movable without us paying the biggest portion of the bill
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Agree 100%. I didn't like the BJ deal, but I could make some sense of it. CJ was a terrible move the moment the ink dried. Seems like everyone but Wren knew it. Of course I still lay blame at Scherholtz too....he's the boss he should have stopped that nonsense.
But you can keep him on the bench and let him lefties if needed. Having a guy like Peterson around means you can afford to keep CJ around. Peterson can be your 3B and back up at SS and 2B or move there with a double switch.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I'm still mixed on it in retrospect; if Johnson had continued to produce, even menially, it would be considered a bargain. And he's only 30.
Of course, the better action plan would've been to trade him while his value was at its peak.
Given that he's only due ~$17.5MM over the next two years (including a $1MM 2018 buyout) I could definitely see the Braves using him in a swap of bad contracts ... maybe for a relief pitcher.
I'd have to think one of those teams Heyman mentioned (SFG, SD, NYM, CHW, CLE) would prefer Johnson over Uribe if the money was equal-ish.
BRule
<B>BBQ Lead Hostess</B>
I'll take a package of BIC pens if they take CJ and his money.
Hart can do betterm
sturg33
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I think it's fairly simple to disagree with a few of them. This is where it's tough to take you seriously
Cahill front and center. Was dumb then and looks that much worse now
Releasing Wandy in favor of Stultz
Signing Markakis
Some other smaller deals that won't be that impactful but easy to disagree with.
On the big deals he's done pretty good though, and that obviously carries more weight
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Personally I don't feel things like the Stults/Wandy and Cahill things were bad at the time. They both had logic behind them. Not every move works out, even ones that seem really good at first. These moves were largely inconsequential and low-to-no risk. Getting Cahill for nothing and trying to work with him wasn't "dumb" to me, at all.
The Markakis I don't really understand or like, so I'll agree there. I could've done without that. And that's fairly significant. I'd say that was his only obvious mistake, and definitely the biggest of his "mistakes."
sturg33
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I'm fine with taking a chance on Cahill but I'm not fine with spending $6M to do it. Would have rather invested that in our players, paid for a better prospect in a future deal, or rolled it into future payrolls.
I really doubt Liberty is going to say, you spent $6 million less last year so you can spend that this year, though. I don't love that we're spending $6 million on Cahill, but it doesn't really matter much to me. If we had money to spend this year and nothing to spend it on, might as well take a chance on him.
People also seem to forget that we got the 75th pick ultimately in that deal as well, so we have the potential to use that trade to get a pretty good prospect, certainly someone better than either Elander or Victor Reyes. And it adds more slot money overall and gives us even more flexibility in the draft. I see the draft pick as the primary return from that trade and Cahill as a, 'Ok, sure, we have the money so give him a shot.'
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
does it work like this? (honest question)
if the budget is X and money spent is Y, I'm not sure ownership will allow you to spend the difference in future years. and i'm not really sure how we could've invested the 6 mil in our current players.
Tapate50
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There is zero evidence to suggest that is the way Liberty will allow us to run the team. It goes in their pocket
sturg33
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I don't know if it works that way or not - but I'd be shocked if it didn't. I could've sworn we did that with Mike Hampton way back in the day.
Regardless, it's not hard to find a productive way to use that money. Here are a few options:
1. Use it to extend someone like Alex Wood/Shelby Miller
2. Use it at the trade deadline to take on a bad contract in exchange for a good prospect
3. Use it to dump CJ for something with us paying half the bill to up the return
4. Use it in the draft to sign guys above slot
5. Get creative with folks like Freeman/Simmons/Teheran - give them $6M more now in exchange for salary relief in future years
I'm sure there are many ways to go about using it wisely. Cahill wasn't one of them. I get we got the 75th pick, and there's value in that, but not $6M in value IMO
sturg33
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Basically the point is - since we weren't trying to compete this year, we should've used that money on assets that will help in future years. Cahill was never going to be with us beyond this year. So to me, it's literally just throwing money away
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I'd hold out for Papermate's.
The Johnson contract is not a millstone around the franchise's neck, but it was a goof move in my book. He's an easily replaceable player. No need to tie up all that money. It just limits flexibility.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
It's really not just throwing money away, though.
Cahill was a gamble. We protected ourselves against it by getting the 75th pick, which could easily turn into a prospect more valuable than we could get by taking on a contract at the deadline. It's just impossible to plan for that, and what you know you can get right now is more valuable than what you might be able to get later. I think the FO saw a potential rebuild project in Cahill + the 75th pick for a low-level prospect and $6 mil in money that wasn't being used this year anyway and felt it was a good opportunity - and if it worked out perfectly, Cahill would've been flipped for a prospect. I don't really see that happening now, but they felt they could maybe work with him and build some value. It didn't work out perfectly, but I think it worked out OK. We gained more than we lost.
I don't think the $6 mil spend on Cahill will prohibit us from extenting Miller or Wood. I just don't see how the money would have been used like that, I don't think that's how it works. Same thing with your #4 and #5, I don't think it works like that. It was $6 mil for THIS season, and this season only, IMO.
1. Use it to extend someone like Alex Wood/Shelby Miller - doesn't keep us from doing this
2. Use it at the trade deadline to take on a bad contract in exchange for a good prospect - this is pretty much what we did
3. Use it to dump CJ for something with us paying half the bill to up the return - doesn't keep us from doing this
4. Use it in the draft to sign guys above slot - huh? you have a certain amount of slot money and can't go above that; we have more slot money because of the deal
5. Get creative with folks like Freeman/Simmons/Teheran - give them $6M more now in exchange for salary relief in future years - seriously doubt we would have done this anyway
The 75th pick may not be $6 million in value, but again, if we weren't planning on using that $6 million in another way (your options don't really require the $6 million), then the money doesn't really matter. Instead of just not using the $6 million, we used it to add a potentially good prospect and to have more flexibility in the draft. I'll take it, even without the chance on Cahill that didn't work.
2. Use it at the trade deadline to take on a bad contract in exchange for a good prospect - this is pretty much what we did
3. Use it to dump CJ for something with us paying half the bill to up the return - doesn't keep us from doing this
4. Use it in the draft to sign guys above slot - huh? you have a certain amount of slot money and can't go above that; we have more slot money because of the deal
5. Get creative with folks like Freeman/Simmons/Teheran - give them $6M more now in exchange for salary relief in future years - seriously doubt we would have done this anyway
The 75th pick may not be $6 million in value, but again, if we weren't planning on using that $6 million in another way (your options don't really require the $6 million), then the money doesn't really matter. Instead of just not using the $6 million, we used it to add a potentially good prospect and to have more flexibility in the draft. I'll take it, even without the chance on Cahill that didn't work.
sturg33
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Not unreasonable points... we just happen to disagree on this one