Alberto Callaspo Possibly Being Traded

smootness said:
1. Use it to extend someone like Alex Wood/Shelby Miller - doesn't keep us from doing this
2. Use it at the trade deadline to take on a bad contract in exchange for a good prospect - this is pretty much what we did
3. Use it to dump CJ for something with us paying half the bill to up the return - doesn't keep us from doing this
4. Use it in the draft to sign guys above slot - huh? you have a certain amount of slot money and can't go above that; we have more slot money because of the deal
5. Get creative with folks like Freeman/Simmons/Teheran - give them $6M more now in exchange for salary relief in future years - seriously doubt we would have done this anyway

The 75th pick may not be $6 million in value, but again, if we weren't planning on using that $6 million in another way (your options don't really require the $6 million), then the money doesn't really matter. Instead of just not using the $6 million, we used it to add a potentially good prospect and to have more flexibility in the draft. I'll take it, even without the chance on Cahill that didn't work.
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For #1, 2, and 3 - having the $6M available to us right now would help us if we wanted to either of these things. #4 you may be right - I don't know enough about the draft. #5 seems like it could have been smart. Not many if any teams do that, but I don't see why not.

Regardless, certainly not a back-breaking deal - but I would go ahead and chalk it up as a bad one. Many thought Cahill was garbage to begin with. We traded for him, he's still garbage, and we're out $6M. We get the extra draft pick - but don't think that's enough to sway this as a good deal.

JMO
 
If Liberty allowed us to be that funny with the money then we could have afforded to sign Moncada and just pay the penalties with the CK, Upton, and Heyward freed up cash.
 
But we did take on money to get a prospect, that's my point. And we do now have more slot money for the draft. So #2 and #4 on your list were actually both accomplished with this deal.

With regard to extending guys or dumping CJ, the $6 million on Cahill doesn't really help us do that. If we were to extend Wood or Miller during the season, we wouldn't pay them more this year. So the $6 million doesn't factor in there. And we can still dump CJ and pay half his salary since we were already paying it. That doesn't add any cost, so again, the $6 million doesn't factor in.

So even based on your own criteria, it did two of the things you would want to use the extra money to do, and it can't do two others.
 
nsacpi said:
Fair deal imo. Withrow is a good pickup. But I think we gave up a useful player in Thomas. And as some others have noted there is an outside chance Jaime's control improves enough to make him a major league pitcher. But he is out of options, which reduces the chances that happens while he is with the Dodgers.
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I pretty much agree, I think we take on about 1.5 million extra in salary and I'm probably Thomas biggest supporter on here along with you. So this deal for me comes down to Thomas and Withrow and I do like Withrow more just so long as he comes back strong like he was before his TJ surgery. Plus Fredi didn't like Thomas anyway so it's probably best for him that he's traded now.

To sum it up, good trade by Hart and co., hopefully Withrow comes back strong from his TJ surgery.
 
sturg33 said:
To me, Uribe and Chris Johnson are the same player offensively - with a big nod to Uribe on defense.

Next year, I would assume Peraza is up, so neither of them will be needed. He just kind of takes up space.

Of all Wren's moves, the CJ extension was the the dumbest in my opinion
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Not if dumbness includes money, and it should. BJ was guaranteed way more $$ than CJ, and played worse, as did Uggla.
 
smootness said:
But we did take on money to get a prospect, that's my point. And we do now have more slot money for the draft. So #2 and #4 on your list were actually both accomplished with this deal.

With regard to extending guys or dumping CJ, the $6 million on Cahill doesn't really help us do that. If we were to extend Wood or Miller during the season, we wouldn't pay them more this year. So the $6 million doesn't factor in there. And we can still dump CJ and pay half his salary since we were already paying it. That doesn't add any cost, so again, the $6 million doesn't factor in.

So even based on your own criteria, it did two of the things you would want to use the extra money to do, and it can't do two others.
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But we did take on money to get a prospect, that's my point. And we do now have more slot money for the draft. So #2 and #4 on your list were actually both accomplished with this deal.
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I thought I was very clear that I don't think $6M was worth the 75th pick

With regard to extending guys or dumping CJ, the $6 million on Cahill doesn't really help us do that..
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How do you figure? That's $6M we could send to another team - basically knocking him off the roster for free next year - which would be a good thing

If we were to extend Wood or Miller during the season, we wouldn't pay them more this year. So the $6 million doesn't factor in there.
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We certainly could. We could have signed them during the offseason - say give Wood a 6 year $42M deal. We could have front loaded the contract by paying wood an additional $6M this year for some lighter years down the road

And we can still dump CJ and pay half his salary since we were already paying it. That doesn't add any cost, so again, the $6 million doesn't factor in.
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Huh? We could have used the $6M to dump CJ to another team. I think it would have been a lot more paletable to another organization to take on CJ at 2 years at $9M rather than 2 years at $16 (or whatever we owe him)
 
sturg33 said:
I think it's fairly simple to disagree with a few of them. This is where it's tough to take you seriously

Cahill front and center. Was dumb then and looks that much worse now

Releasing Wandy in favor of Stultz

Signing Markakis

Some other smaller deals that won't be that impactful but easy to disagree with.

On the big deals he's done pretty good though, and that obviously carries more weight
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Stults nets Withrow - tough to see anything wrong with that. Would the Dodgers make the deal if it was Wandy instead? Who knows? They've had Stults before and he performed pretty well for them.
 
clvclv said:
Stults nets Withrow - tough to see anything wrong with that. Would the Dodgers make the deal if it was Wandy instead? Who knows? They've had Stults before and he performed pretty well for them.
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Considering they could have either in the offseason, and considering that Wandy is and has been much better... then yeah I think they would take him
 
sturg33 said:
For #1, 2, and 3 - having the $6M available to us right now would help us if we wanted to either of these things. #4 you may be right - I don't know enough about the draft. #5 seems like it could have been smart. Not many if any teams do that, but I don't see why not.

Regardless, certainly not a back-breaking deal - but I would go ahead and chalk it up as a bad one. Many thought Cahill was garbage to begin with. We traded for him, he's still garbage, and we're out $6M. We get the extra draft pick - but don't think that's enough to sway this as a good deal.

JMO
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The slot value for that #75 pick is $814,300. That's several hundred thousand dollars we can spend on players earlier IF someone we're really interested in slides. If you combine that with money that could potentially be spent on local talent that might sign for below slot if the Braves pick them you're talking about potentially being able to add significant talent with that extra slot money - for instance, you're talking about being able to pay one of the injured TOR type arms (or someone else) #19 pick money if you're able to scoop them up at #41.
 
clvclv said:
Stults nets Withrow - tough to see anything wrong with that. Would the Dodgers make the deal if it was Wandy instead? Who knows? They've had Stults before and he performed pretty well for them.
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Unless Zaidi or Friedman have come out and said the reason they included Withrow was because they wanted Stults then this is a gigantic, hilarious, reach on your part.

Stults is horrible and is just a throw-in...why wouldn't Wandy be worth more when he's been 10 times better?
 
sturg33 said:
It's clear that certain posters will refuse to admit any wrongdoing by the Braves.

I think it's a really hard sell to defend the Cahill trade.
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Yeah, but you can also say it's clear that some people wouldn't like any move that the Braves made. This isn't some blockbuster deal, nor does it sway the Braves into contention, but to get rid of fat Albert and the others, it wasn't so bad. I've not agreed with all the trades, but the majority of them have been good to very good.
 
sturg33 said:
It's clear that certain posters will refuse to admit any wrongdoing by the Braves.

I think it's a really hard sell to defend the Cahill trade.
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The money was there, and they used it to PAY IT FORWARD (just like you want us to) and buy a future asset with it instead of let it go to Liberty lined pockets, which it would have if unused.

In the end, that money was going back to Liberty if it wasn't used. I don't know why you have to pepper 3 threads with that assumption that we get to "pay it forward". It has no basis.
 
Deester11 said:
Yeah, but you can also say it's clear that some people wouldn't like any move that the Braves made. This isn't some blockbuster deal, nor does it sway the Braves into contention, but to get rid of fat Albert and the others, it wasn't so bad. I've not agreed with all the trades, but the majority of them have been good to very good.
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I don't think anybody isn't supporting the Callaspo deal. I think most everyone supported the Kimbrel and Gattis trades. The Heyward and Upton deals were controversial but I think most admit we at least got good value.

On the other hand, the typical Braves homers can't admit any wrong doing by the FO
 
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