Next year? Most of our value this year is from old people either not going to be here or likely to regress.
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Next year? Most of our value this year is from old people either not going to be here or likely to regress.
Heyward
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AJ and KJ is about it.
Unless you think they wont keep Maybin, Uribe, etc.
They probably should keep Uribe but saying they wont be contenders til 2019 is ignorant.
ANd yeah, they could contend for a playoff spot next year.
Yeah Maybin and Uribe are examples. Either should regress or be gone. This team still has a lot of holes to fill.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
is there a history of any hitters to do what Harper is doing even over a three month stretch that haven't been HOF hitters?
When you say hes doing things hes never done, how often do you say that about a guy that is 22 years old?
Jason Giambi and Albert Belle for a couple examples without looking into it too much. You are way overreacting to SSS. Not that I don't expect Harper to be one of the top 5-10 players over the next 10 years, but your hyperbole is a bit over the top based on not even a half season of at bats.
Harper has to drop a decent bit to not be on the talk for best hitters in baseball. Even so, its pretty dumb to try to use statistics from a 19/20 year old and compare them to when a guy is 22. Hes not supposed to be in the majors at 19 years old. There arent many guys that play well at 19 in the makors that dont end up being great players.
Its not like Harper came from nowhere; he was considered an elite hitting prospect and has turned into an elite hitter.
That's my point. Who do we replace them with?
Quite a few I'm sure. But I guess you and thethe think he's the next Ted Williams
So a juiced up to the max hitter and one of thegreatest hitters of all time when he was in his prime.
I guess you are making my point aren't you?
Dude, he's 22 years old. He OPS'd over .800 as a 19-year-old. In the majors. That is nuts and generally does precede a HOF career.
He very well could be a once-in-a-generation hitter. He was certainly a once-in-a-generation prospect and a once-in-a-generation 19 year old. There's more reason to believe that Harper is finally realizing his potential than to believe that Harper is on some fluky streak.
zitothebrave
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I would disagree. Though I think Harper is likely gonna be a great player ifhe can stay healthy (he's had more health issues than Heyward. You both are right. He could be a once in a generation talent. But there's nothing in his stat line to explain his walk rate. It's not like he just stopped swinging at slop, cause he still does I could buy it around 13%, but not18%. ANd his power will almost certainly fall. HE's the not the second incarnate of Babe Ruth, or roided out Bonds/McGwire.
He is swinging less and seeing less balls in the zone. Its clear that pitchers are doing what they can to not get beat by Harper and therefore his walk rate spike. As he continues to destroy the major leagues I expect more and more he will be pitched around.
Hitting for average is dependent on age now? Wow.
At what point was he ever projected to be a consistent .300 hitter?
Improvement in skills is typically age dependent. He just recently spoke about how htis was the first offseason in the last three years that he was healthy and it allowed him to work out and get in great shape.
Well, if you think age 19/20 seasons is what you would expect from players at 22, then you basis of comparing players is retarded.
I don't know whether he's ted Williams or not; I do know he's a once in a decade talent that is hitting the crap out of the ball.
Look at the components of his walk rate. He's made slight improvements at laying off pitches, but a large part of it is pitchers don't throw strikes to him. Hes smart enough of a hitter to lay off pitches. Even if his walk rate is 15%, he's a hell of a hitter.
I'd be interested in what kind of numbers zito and puk expect of him? .800 ops? 900?
It just that he hasn't done it before. 99 percent of baseball players haven't done it before. Harper hasn't magically transformed himself into .350 hitter. When the average stabilizes (and it will) the rest of his numbers will as well.
Why do you assume that Harper should fit into the 99% of players? I don't believe he should be.