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I don't know why chipper would be upset at Hudson. The braves low balled him and he left. He said before a long time aho playing for the Braves was worth a 25% discount to him. I think the rumor was 1year 5 mill. I bet they offered him what Floyd signed for. If anyone is really to blame its Eric Young. Huddy was on a roll when he was injured, I bet the braves would have given him a qualyfing offer and he would have accepted.
 
mossy said:
Nightengale of USA Today

Veteran pitcher Tim Hudson still can't believe he never won a title with all of that talent a decade ago in Oakland. And any thoughts of winning a ring in Atlanta quickly vanished when the Braves barely showed interest when he became a free agent.

"It was made pretty clear to me the Braves didn't want me back,'' Hudson, 38, tells USA TODAY Sports, noting the Braves' initial offer was so low, he didn't even bother to counter.

"After what I had done for them, it was kind of a slap in the face.''

I hope Chipper slaps him in the face now. What were we supposed to do? We had quite a core of young pitchers, and nobody but message board know it alls could have forseen our disastrous spring. Huddy probably wanted more money than the Braves wanted to throw at a 38 year old.

Where was this kinda talk a few months back? Looks like he's pretty comfortable in San Francisco.
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Our front office certainly has a way of handling our all time greats very poorly. Why couldn't they simply communicate to Hudson they were moving in another direction, so that he didn't come off feeling offended?
 
NYCBrave said:
Our front office certainly has a way of handling our all time greats very poorly. Why couldn't they simply communicate to Hudson they were moving in another direction, so that he didn't come off feeling offended?
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How do you know they didn't and he was still just offended at the offer?
 
I will never hate on Tim Hudson. Guy is a class act on and off the field. After the mascot fiasco with Chipper and now this signs point to the organization being the bad guy here.
 
There is no obligation on either side in these situations. The club wanted to spend its money on guys like Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrel, Teheran rather than an older player like Hudson. In particular they didn't want to give him two years. It is a reasonable business decision.
 
nsacpi said:
There is no obligation on either side in these situations. The club wanted to spend its money on guys like Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrel, Teheran rather than an older player like Hudson. In particular they didn't want to give him two years. It is a reasonable business decision.
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That was the biggie, IMO.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
I will never hate on Tim Hudson. Guy is a class act on and off the field. After the mascot fiasco with Chipper and now this signs point to the organization being the bad guy here.
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Wait, wasn't it Huddy that lead the anti-Chipper brigade?
 
I'm not defending all of the actions our FO has taken (or will take), but I will set the record straight on Hudson. They did reach out to Paul Cohen (and another person at TwC) several times regarding their interest, and did explain that while they had interest in retaining Hudson, they had a limit as to what they could extend to him given his age and the fact that we had rotation saturation with Medlen, Beachy, etc. Wren could not have known that we'd lose them to TJ, and Paul didn't bother returning calls after a certain point because it was clear Sabean and Co were willing to put down several million more on the table than the Braves were. But to say our initial offer was "insulting" is a stretch, and is ignorant of context and the facts.

But I'll digress. Carry on.
 
yeezus said:
How do you know they didn't and he was still just offended at the offer?
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If there was effective communication he should not have been offended, plus it says the Braves made a lowball offer that he was offended by. They shouldn't have even put the offer out there and just said they couldn't go 2 years on him based on the makeup of their roster and young guys
 
ramadon101 said:
I'm not defending all of the actions our FO has taken (or will take), but I will set the record straight on Hudson. They did reach out to Paul Cohen (and another person at TwC) several times regarding their interest, and did explain that while they had interest in retaining Hudson, they had a limit as to what they could extend to him given his age and the fact that we had rotation saturation with Medlen, Beachy, etc. Wren could not have known that we'd lose them to TJ, and Paul didn't bother returning calls after a certain point because it was clear Sabean and Co were willing to put down several million more on the table than the Braves were. But to say our initial offer was "insulting" is a stretch, and is ignorant of context and the facts.

But I'll digress. Carry on.
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Well thank you, it's good to know facts here
 
Actually, the facts are we really weren't that interested in Huddy and that is proven by the fact that we did low ball him big time, etc. He handled it quite well at the time too, but not surprisingly he realized later that we had a lot more money than he was told. It was a mistake plain and simple to threat him that way after all he'd done for the organization and community. But sad to say we've done it before with the best of veterans and will likely do it again. So I am not surprised by it.

It also was a mistake how we valued him in the first place, but I have said that all along on here and I know I was in the minority so I don't expect much if any agreement.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Let's take it easy on Hudson. He also said that he still follows and roots for the Braves, and even asked not to start againstus when we played them.
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I remember hearing him say that he HOPED not to pitch against the Braves, not that he asked not to. Minor point, and still make him a great guy in my book. Did I hear incorrectly?
 
Braves1976 said:
Actually, the facts are we really weren't that interested in Huddy and that is proven by the fact that we did low ball him big time, etc. He handled it quite well at the time too, but not surprisingly he realized later that we had a lot more money than he was told. It was a mistake plain and simple to threat him that way after all he'd done for the organization and community. But sad to say we've done it before with the best of veterans and will likely do it again. So I am not surprised by it.

It also was a mistake how we valued him in the first place, but I have said that all along on here and I know I was in the minority so I don't expect much if any agreement.
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Uh I don't think anyone here undervalued Hudson. Most just felt there was no place for him unless it was at a substantial discount because of the preceived abundance of starting pitchers on the team. No one could predict that both Medlen and Beachy would need TJ again. There were signs on Beachy, but not Medlen.
 
JohnAdcox said:
I remember hearing him say that he HOPED not to pitch against the Braves, not that he asked not to. Minor point, and still make him a great guy in my book. Did I hear incorrectly?
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The Giants asked him if he'd like to pitch against us as they had an off day where they could have slotted Huddy in for that series. But the regular order had him missing it and Huddy told them to keep the rotation as it is. I think he later said that he hoped not to pitch again us too. But I never got the idea that he wouldn't do his job if scheduled to start against us.
 
Orphan Black said:
Uh I don't think anyone here undervalued Hudson.
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Every forum has fans that overvalue and undervalue all players, it is simply nonsensical to argue otherwise. What can be debated is how much Huddy ought to been valued and it seems you and I disagree in that area. But again that's not a surprise as I had to debate even the idea trying of re-sign Huddy last year with quite a number of folks on here.
 
I dont think Huddy is wrong, it's not a huge deal.

Although it's hard to think anyone thought he'd be this good.

But 11-12 mil a year for a pitcher whose 38-39 is a bit risky.
 
I don't blame Huddy for getting the best deal he could. Our going out and signing Santana (albeit under extreme circumstances with Medlen and Beachy) shows that it wasn't about us not having money. We probably just didn't want to give that kind of deal for two years to a guy who was coming back from a pretty gruesome injury.

I would have liked to keep him, but I'm not wild about 2 years, 23 million.

I always liked Huddy, and I'm glad to see him off to a great start in SF. But while I forgive him, I'm also not going to forget the douchery of the Chipper first pitch fiasco and how he and several others failed to step up to the plate.
 
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