Braves Acquire Russell, Bonifacio

jsebe10 said:
Keep in mind though...literally ANYTHING is an upgrade to our current CFer. Just sayin...
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Not true

While BJ is the worst qualified CF in baseball. James Jones is way way worse. Such a shame too cause with a name like that you'd expect him to be great.
 
zitothebrave said:
His propensity to strike out is at an alarming level. Nearly 24%. If you look at some leaders in baseball today and what they did in the minors. Chris Davis struck out 24.5%, Bossman 19.7. Mark Reynolds 23.3. Adam Dunn 18.2. Ryan Howard 27%. Guys who K a lot in the majors didn't K 30% in the minors. 30% K rate with little power leaves little to be desired. His .160 iso SLG is close to Tommy La Stella's career average. And TLS doesn't have much pop.

Look at any prospect list, baseball america, sickels, B-Pro. Every single damned one of them had Caratini as a top 10 prospect and Kubitza nowhere to be found. Sickels who goes to 20 didn't list Kubitza. Kubitza is neither a stathead darling or a scout darling. He's the darling of box score watchers who see the results and don't look deeper. He's basically the anti-La Stella. TLS was underrated because he was old for his age now people are looking at Kubitza in the same regard.
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Before the season? Sure. But he has moved up quite a bit since then. TallkingChop just did their midseason list and they have Kubitza right outside the top 10 at #11. And as I said, Caritini's value comes from the ability to play catcher. If he can't sick there, his value greatly diminishes.

ISO has increased basically each yr in the majors (as you would expect as a player matures). Holding steady at .170 over the last 2 yrs. This yr he hasn't had much homer run power but he is among the league leaders in doubles and 2nd in the league in triples.
 
We overpaid a bit mostly cause the LH reliever isn't really that great vs lefties. Caratini is expendable yes with Gattis but I have to admit kinda sucks to loose the next PR Braves player :(
 
Perfect Cell said:
We overpaid a bit mostly cause the LH reliever isn't really that great vs lefties. Caratini is expendable yes with Gattis but I have to admit kinda sucks to loose the next PR Braves player :(
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He's been very good against lefties in his career. I'd say this year is more of an anomaly.
 
I like it. Braves needed at LH reliever and a bench player and got both in the trade. I admit, I don't know much about the kid we gave up, but Gattis, Laird, and Bethancourt and one/two others in the minors at his position are ahead of him. He was not going to play for Atlanta any time soon.

Also, this should be a clear sign to Jordan Schafer and B.J. Upton. Schafer has not been gettting many at bats, outside of taking over for injuries, and in those few at bats, he has not gotten the job done. And if B.J. doesn't get his rear in gear, Bonifacio could become the full-time CF'er pretty soon.
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
Carantini is a much better catcher than Gattis and has world's more offensive upside than Bethancourt. He's in the mold of a Brian McCann Jorge Posado type catcher.
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Carp said:
Before the season? Sure. But he has moved up quite a bit since then. TallkingChop jsut did their midseason list and they have Kubitza right outside the top 10 at #11. And as I said, Caritini's value comes from the ability to play catcher. If he can't sick there, his value greatly diminishes.
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Yes because talkingchop is the greatness for prospect list. Caratini hits as well as Kubitza so his floor is equivalent to Kubitza basically his ceiling is way higher because he could play catcher.

Kubitza deserves some consideration as he's done it in AA. BUT his K rate is toooooo high.
 
The problem with Victor Caratini is that is glove doesn't project well behind the plate, and his bat doesn't project well at third base. His projection is as a utility guy that can play 3rd and catch some. He's got a 2.2-2.3 pop time from home to second. That is a big issue. I think he's a bench player long term, and I think Tanner Murphy is a better overall catcher prospect.
 
I love love love this trade. The guy was a good prospect but Wren went out and did exactly what we needed; he filled a hole on the bench while adding a guy who is fast, can leadoff and play solid defense especially in CF. Along with that, he got us a solid LH bullpen guy. I'm happy! It's nice to know we could of gotten freaking Price for cheap, but I'm sure every other team says the same thing. haha
 
zitothebrave said:
Yes because talkingchop is the greatness for prospect list. Caratini hits as well as Kubitza so his floor is equivalent to Kubitza basically his ceiling is way higher because he could play catcher.

Kubitza deserves some consideration as he's done it in AA. BUT his K rate is toooooo high.
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His also improved practically every season in other categories. AVG, OBP, POWER, BB%. If he keeps up his current trend he will easily be a top 10 prospect by seasons end.
 
Some of you are acting like this is the Doyle Alexander-John Smoltz trade in reverse. I get that you like Caratini. But why is having no money and trading ONE A level prospect for a veteran LH reliever AND a veteran bench player with versatility AND cash to boot something to lament and groan about???

If the Braves ever do win a World Series again in 6 games, some of you would b!tch and moan that they should have done it in 4 games!
 
We got something for a guy who was likely to be stuck in the minors for a long time, blocked from starting in Atlanta. With some cash coming our way, it's a big win.
 
Our midseason rankings had Caratini 10th. Guess nobody much has looked at those.

However, the Braves are pretty happy with their catching haul for 2014, including FA Blake Austin, Nevarez, and 31st rounder Sal Giardina.
 
Carp said:
His also improved practically every season in other categories. AVG, OBP, POWER, BB%. If he keeps up his current trend he will easily be a top 10 prospect by seasons end.
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Well he may be top 10 prospect but that has more to say about the talent in our farm than anything else.

Also nice cherry picking. You're right about power and BB rate, but you fail to mention the increase in K rate. He went from a low 20s to more of a mid 20s. His average hasn't really improved he started out with an insanely high BABIP and had a .320 avg in rookie ball. Kubitza is a guy who's entire value is built into maintaining an insanely high BABIP. And with that he's still a low .800 OPS guy in the minors.

We're looking at a kid who will likely strike out close to 30% in the majors with not much power to show with it. I don't know in what world that's a recipe for success. He's Adam Dunn without Dunn's best tool.
 
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