Braves Extend Inciarte

smootness said:
I love Inciarte, and these kind of things are accounted for in advanced metrics. Obviously there are limits to it, and it's hard to ever know if things are being valued accurately, but part of Inciarte's value comes from being an above-average baserunner, and it does factor into his WAR.
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You can factor in some just based on the positive results but I don't think even advanced stats are able to get at the impact of playing the game like Inciarte does.
 
striker42 said:
You can factor in some just based on the positive results but I don't think even advanced stats are able to get at the impact of playing the game like Inciarte does.
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I have no problem with this opinion, but without knowing more about the advanced stats and what they measure, it's just basically a guess. They do attempt to factor all of this in.
 
smootness said:
I have no problem with this opinion, but without knowing more about the advanced stats and what they measure, it's just basically a guess. They do attempt to factor all of this in.
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One of the things I'm getting at is that you'll look at a guy like Ender at the end of the year and he'll have exceeded his projections, he'll seem to be a little better than his peripherals support, and you can very easily conclude that he's a little bit lucky. But guys like Ender can sustain that "luck" as it's the result of them making more opportunities for themselves. It's not always clear that's the case when looking at the stats. It's hard to tell the difference between a guy who is lucky in that his teammates are getting him over more than the average and a guy who plays heads up and takes an extra base.
 
Now that its clear Inciarte is here for the foreseeable future I am absolutely in favor of trading Markakis. Mallex has certainly earned the chance to play everyday. I think he is going to end up surpassing many of the expectations set out for him.
 
I still think the best possible OF for us with our current players is Kemp-Inciarte-Mallex. I'd much rather deal Markakis and roll into 2017 with that trio.
 
Just to point out the obvious that hasn't been stated...

Unless Heyward makes some kind of massive adjustments at the plate, that contract may well go down as one of the worst in history. Heyward's going to have to do something amazing to justify 6 times as much money based mainly on baserunning and defense.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Has anyone other than u said he could ever be a hitter like that? I've never seen double digit hrs projected much less 20

I want no part of kemp in rf
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Testy, aren't we? I'm pointing out an uptick that could just be small sample size, but maybe not. I haven't seen anyone else posit that Mallex might have more sock than a .600 OPS slap hitter.

A full season of at bats with Mallex's last year's HR/AB would be 10. That's more than he had at any level, so you've got to think he's getting stronger. I'm projecting a little more power as he develops.

The triples, the SB and the improvement once he gets acclimated at every level are pretty well documented.
 
thewupk said:
What are these extra impacts that aren't accounted for?
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Oh, for God's sake. Allow a little mystery and intangible, would you? I think it's great that your crowd is measuring everything but their d*ck size. There are still unmeasurables, and even the most saber-savvy front offices acknowledge that.
 
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