Collmenter is a "never was." Danks was actually something at one time.
As for the rest, it's too early to flip out over AAA roster decisions. Somebody will go to AA, somebody will get hurt, somebody will go to BP, etc.
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Collmenter is a "never was." Danks was actually something at one time.
As for the rest, it's too early to flip out over AAA roster decisions. Somebody will go to AA, somebody will get hurt, somebody will go to BP, etc.
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He is giving it some thought.
dak
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DOB mentioned last week that Biddle is expected to start his season with the Fire Frogs. Something about taking it slow with him and having him start in a warm weather climate. I'm a midwesterner, but aren't all the Braves affiliates in warm weather climates in the Spring?
Please tell me what Danks has on his resume that's a better accomplishment than Collmenter (other than having made more $$$) - not that it matters. The point is that you're already going to have 3 SPs with MLB experience starting the season in Gwinnett to begin with.
Taking league and park into account, Danks has 3 years that are far better than anything Collmenter ever put up.
That said, they came at ages 23-25, and he hasn't been close to that good in the last 6 years, but it's something.
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Winning 15 games and eating some innings? Collmenter's only MLB accomplishment was finishing 5th in ROY. All downhill after. He's fringe. Exactly the type of pitcher that the Braves won't be bothering with when they're serious about contention again.
You're right though, it doesn't matter. Not seeing what your beef is here though anyway with Opening Day being 4 months away. Rosters aren't set in stone fast enough for you? Jeez. It's like some kid launched into rant at Scout about signing Moss to a minor league deal. Once again. Somebody will get hurt. Somebody will get traded. Somebody will get assigned to AA. Somebody will go to the BP. Somebody will screw the pooch in ST and get released. Just not getting what you're being argumentative about. Both are warm bodies. Danks can be sort of mentor to the kids at AAA.
Major league rotations are expected to have depth of around 8 guys heading down to Florida. Right? With more prospects coming emerging to the upper levels, it's not a shock that a similar condition should arise for Gwinnett. This is a good thing, because some odd year there will be maybe one guy there with a potential to make future impact. It's cyclical as we all know.
No doubt.
In past years, there have been forum meltdowns because there weren't any trades one week after the World Series ended. This is not an exaggeration. You could say that this an improvement of sorts by at least waiting until after the Winter Meetings, but so many changes will occur over time. Just for a effect, somebody ought to sticky the Opening Day roster and compare it with, say, September 1st. Turnover will probably be a mininum of 20%
Oh yeah. We're stockpiling layers that we'll be able to peel off as we go. Honestly Swanson, Freeman, and Minter are the only one I can say are 100% going to be on the roster come September 1st.
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Not a "beef" really - shouldn't be a particularly big deal.
Mainly just worry about having too many of these types of guys around taking innings that could be better spent on challenging some of the kids - and as much as I hate to admit it, we've seen the Braves do that before. There's really not much of a reason for Newcomb and Sims to go back to AA (IMO), and Weigler's pushing to become a fast mover like Fried is. That's 4 guys who could make a legitimate case for spending time in Gwinnett's rotation at some point this year on top of Collmenter/Wisler/Blair.
I just personally feel like the Colon and Dickey signings and Garcia trade were made to buy what the brass hopes is a minimal amount of time while sending the message that Coppy mentioned when he said that if "they (meaning Wisler and Blair) didn't like going back down that they need to pitch better". They traded away several of those AAAA/swingman types to clear innings (and 40-Man Roster slots) to allow them to pitch on regular rest, etc. so they'd be ready to step in if/when someone comes calling about the veterans. My fear is that the big club is playing pretty well when that happens and the brass wants too much in return for them.
My personal "goal" would be to have a rotation that consists of no one older than 27 by the deadline - that way you give Wisler in particular a Swanson-like "audition" for the last two months. "Sink or swim, but don't think you haven't been given an opportunity to lock down a spot in the rotation - if you aren't ready by the end of this year, it may be time for the Braves to move on."
If the kids make a legitimate case to be moved up at AA or AAA we'll move the vets. None of them are going to be missed if the kids prove they're ready. You can tell from Hart and Coppy that they were disappointed in them last year. They've gone out of their way to send the message that they have to work for it. Wisler may have gotten that hint and decided to pay some Winter ball, but there's no saving seats on the bus anymore. I like the old school "earn it" mentality. If you're pi$$ed then do something about it.
I don't even think Folty is assured of a spot like most people do. When Hart refers to Wisler and Blair he lumps Folty in that same category. He's never implied that has has a spot in the rotation.
I don't even think Folty is assured of a spot like most people do. When Hart refers to Wisler and Blair he lumps Folty in that same category. He's never implied that has has a spot in the rotation.
Still, it's not like we've got to know NOW. Let's see what events unfold over the winter. One of more of these guys may not even fit into their future plans and be possible trade asset (Blair?). Then, they still have to show something in ST to earn a spot, even at the AAA level. One thing that my excursions to AAA games has taught me is that there usually aren't that many potential stars on those rosters. It's nice to be optimistic about Braves prospects and all, but one of that bunch isn't going to live up to potential. It's just law of averages and also the reason that there's emphasis on quantity as well as quality. Think of the process as like gold sifting.
Southcack77
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I think Collmenter will make the team or be released.
I'd forgotten all about Biddle.
Think you're trying to read something between the lines that isn't there, but that's JMO. I haven't seen or heard anything attributed to Hart or Coppy that inferred that Folty's rotation spot was ever in danger - maybe whether that spot is #2, #3, #4, or #5. They initially wanted two veteran starters on short-term deals from day one, and the Garcia thing seemed more like it kinda just dropped in their laps. Just me, but I don't think they'd have picked Collmenter's option up if they thought they were going to be able to add three rotation pieces on one-year deals. Like Knucksie mentioned, it certainly won't hurt to have a veteran or two around in the event someone gets hurt and Wisler or Blair haven't forced the issue, but Folty's age-24 season looks a lot like Julio's age-24 season.
I'll admit that they've surprised us all with several moves, but sending Folty down at this point would be the biggest surprise of all by far to me - he's looked much more like he "belongs" than either of the other two.
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Man,
I've GOT to corner the market for selling Bardol, Vagisil, KY, Vaseline, pine tar, tobacco spit, jalapeno jelly (for the nostrils) for this Braves rotation. I'll make a fortune.
Maybe sell some Joe Boo dolls and Tequila as well...
I've GOT to corner the market for selling Bardol, Vagisil, KY, Vaseline, pine tar, tobacco spit, jalapeno jelly (for the nostrils) for this Braves rotation. I'll make a fortune.
Maybe sell some Joe Boo dolls and Tequila as well...
No kidding. A lot of arguing over one of the guys that will make up the yearly contingent of broken down pitchers trying to catch on any way they can.
These guys will never, ever, be allowed to take any innings from guys that need innings. They are disposable arms whose only value to the organization literally is to make sure all the affiliates always have a guy standing on the mound throwing the ball towards home plate.