Braves Sign Teheran to 6 year extension

[AUTiger7222]

This is such a steal for the Braves. Even if Julio Teheran never gets any better than what he was in 2013, he will have more than earned what he is getting. There is no negative to be found here. The only people that are wanting to find a negative in this deal are the people that want to bitch about everything.

 

[zitothebrave]

This is such a steal for the Braves. Even if Julio Teheran never gets any better than what he was in 2013, he will have more than earned what he is getting. There is no negative to be found here. The only people that are wanting to find a negative in this deal are the people that want to bitch about everything.

There is a negative. He could be consistently hurt or he could go Rick Ankiel. Never know. That said playing on projection, it's smart.

 

[gtcway]

There is a negative. He could be consistently hurt or he could go Rick Ankiel. Never know. That said playing on projection, it's smart.

You can say that about every single contract signed in MLB. There is always risk with every contract.

I like the deal, hope we can do more of them.

 

[Heyward]

No, I don't make that deal. I mean let me put it this way, it would be a bargain deal for us most likely. But considering he has 5 years until FA that is way too Simmons friendly. Especially since defense peaks early, if he doesn't start hitting we may have already seen the best of him. I don't believe that but that would be a super risky signing for the Braves.

7/50 would be more friendly as it would basically mean 1M for his pre-arb then say 4, 7 and 10 for arb and then basically 28 for his FA years. Undervaluing his pre-arb most likely but that's more or less how you have tothink of the deal. 7/65 would be like 1M for pre arb 5 10 15 and then 35 for FA. And no way in hell is he worth that on the market. If he thinks he is then he can leave in a few years.

Given how ridiculous FA is, yes he would be.

Letting him go over a few extra million is dumb.

 

[The Tariff King]

You can say that about every single contract signed in MLB. There is always risk with every contract.

I like the deal, hope we can do more of them.

I'd rather have a position player go on the DL 1 or 2 times and miss 30 games, than have a pitcher be out for 1 calendar year for an elbow or 8-10 months for shoulder. Pitcher contracts are always riskier, and the fact that the Braves tried to make him change his mechanics because they saw it was vulnerable to injury, and then gave up and reverted back to his bad mechanics worries me.

I wouldn't have a problem giving Wood or Minor this deal, Teheran worries me.

 

[zitothebrave]

Given how ridiculous FA is, yes he would be.

Letting him go over a few extra million is dumb.

Holy hell. Let's put it this way, if the going rate for a defensive first (though great mind you) player is 17-22M per year Simmons can gladly leave. Considering there's a bunch of people who can do good for waayyy less.

If you're willing ot pay 17+M for Simmons's first 2 years of FA, then you clearly value him way more than myself (or probably any GM in baseball) or are insane

Consider that Michael Bourn who's not as great of a defender as Simmons but still a GG player (and better offensively because of his speed) and he signed for 4/48.

 

[keithlaw]

I'd rather have a position player go on the DL 1 or 2 times and miss 30 games, than have a pitcher be out for 1 calendar year for an elbow or 8-10 months for shoulder. Pitcher contracts are always riskier, and the fact that the Braves tried to make him change his mechanics because they saw it was vulnerable to injury, and then gave up and reverted back to his bad mechanics worries me.

I wouldn't have a problem giving Wood or Minor this deal, Teheran worries me.

Yes, long term contracts to pitchers are more risky than long term contracts to position players, but thats why we got such a ginormous discount on his FA years. From a big picture standpoint, teams should want to do lots of these deals (and smart teams like the Rays, and hopefully us, do) since they can diversify the risk over a large number of contracts.

 

[zitothebrave]

I'd rather have a position player go on the DL 1 or 2 times and miss 30 games, than have a pitcher be out for 1 calendar year for an elbow or 8-10 months for shoulder. Pitcher contracts are always riskier, and the fact that the Braves tried to make him change his mechanics because they saw it was vulnerable to injury, and then gave up and reverted back to his bad mechanics worries me.

I wouldn't have a problem giving Wood or Minor this deal, Teheran worries me.

Wait, you'd be ok giving Wood that deal? He's bound for a few TJs before he's done (unless he's already had one)

 

[Heyward]

I'd rather have a position player go on the DL 1 or 2 times and miss 30 games, than have a pitcher be out for 1 calendar year for an elbow or 8-10 months for shoulder. Pitcher contracts are always riskier, and the fact that the Braves tried to make him change his mechanics because they saw it was vulnerable to injury, and then gave up and reverted back to his bad mechanics worries me.

I wouldn't have a problem giving Wood or Minor this deal, Teheran worries me.

Minor, i can get.

But Wood?

Hasnt he already had TJ before, and his mechanics worry me ****less.

 

[yeezus]

Wait, you'd be ok giving Wood that deal? He's bound for a few TJs before he's done (unless he's already had one)

Yeah, uh, and Wood has proven far less.

 

[zitothebrave]

Wood really intrigues me, but I think he's unfortunately may be heading to Tommy Hanson territory. Sick stuff but injuries ruin him long term.

 

[jason27nc]

I love the moves the Braves have done recently. Now we need to lock up Kimbrel bad.

 

[Heyward]

I love the moves the Braves have done recently. Now we need to lock up Kimbrel bad.

 

[gtcway]

I'd rather have a position player go on the DL 1 or 2 times and miss 30 games, than have a pitcher be out for 1 calendar year for an elbow or 8-10 months for shoulder. Pitcher contracts are always riskier, and the fact that the Braves tried to make him change his mechanics because they saw it was vulnerable to injury, and then gave up and reverted back to his bad mechanics worries me.

I wouldn't have a problem giving Wood or Minor this deal, Teheran worries me.

The good thing with Teheran's contract is it's so low, that even if he missed a year, it's still a bargain. Yes, the Braves are taking a risk, but it's a risk I'm glad they're willing to take.

 

[Deester11]

I'd rather have a position player go on the DL 1 or 2 times and miss 30 games, than have a pitcher be out for 1 calendar year for an elbow or 8-10 months for shoulder. Pitcher contracts are always riskier, and the fact that the Braves tried to make him change his mechanics because they saw it was vulnerable to injury, and then gave up and reverted back to his bad mechanics worries me.

I wouldn't have a problem giving Wood or Minor this deal, Teheran worries me.

It's quite possible that he'd have the cursed TJ, but Wood? Are you kidding? I know you watched the same team I did and Teheran grew right before our eyes. Bad mechanics? Where did that come from? It's no worse than others and he certainly doesn't do anything anymore weird than Wood. I like the deal...bad mechanics? Are there any perfect mechanics now? Great deal. Period. And does it count that Teheran was just as good as Minor or not?

 

[The Tariff King]

Wait, you'd be ok giving Wood that deal? He's bound for a few TJs before he's done (unless he's already had one)

He's already had one, and yes because when Wood started last year, he looked way more comfortable than Teheran did.

I watched Teheran like most of you, and most of his outings it was a struggle just to get to the 5th inning let alone the 6th. It'd be a miracle if he made it to the 5th without already walking a few or getting out of jams like Jorge Sosa. He was already at 80 pitches in the 3rd and 4th inning on plenty occasions. And unlike most of you, I don't see anything special about his fastball and change up. His fastball sits at 92-94 occasionally hitting 95 when he tries to force it, but he has no control over it. The change up has been extremely overrated, especially because Laird claimed whenever he caught Teheran that they were getting his pitches to work. McCann is rated as one of the best pitch callers and frames the ball 20x better than Laird, and Mac and Julio never got on the same page. Laird was obviously hyping up Julio to get some PT as if he was Julio's personal catcher.

I don't see the Pedro comparisons because Pedro's mechanics were very controlled despite looking very wild. Teheran needs to learn to control his fastball first before even trying to worry about the change and curve.

I'm not ready to crown him king yet just because he was rated good in our system. I see legitimate flaws in his game that makes me shake my head that we gave him this money before Medlen, Minor, Simmons, Heyward.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

For anyone questioning this extension, think about this. Julio Teheran had a higher batting average than Dan Uggla and BJ Upton. The man is a baseball player!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Heyward]

He's already had one, and yes because when Wood started last year, he looked way more comfortable than Teheran did.

I watched Teheran like most of you, and most of his outings it was a struggle just to get to the 5th inning let alone the 6th. It'd be a miracle if he made it to the 5th without already walking a few or getting out of jams like Jorge Sosa. He was already at 80 pitches in the 3rd and 4th inning on plenty occasions. And unlike most of you, I don't see anything special about his fastball and change up. His fastball sits at 92-94 occasionally hitting 95 when he tries to force it, but he has no control over it. The change up has been extremely overrated, especially because Laird claimed whenever he caught Teheran that they were getting his pitches to work. McCann is rated as one of the best pitch callers and frames the ball 20x better than Laird, and Mac and Julio never got on the same page. Laird was obviously hyping up Julio to get some PT as if he was Julio's personal catcher.

I don't see the Pedro comparisons because Pedro's mechanics were very controlled despite looking very wild. Teheran needs to learn to control his fastball first before even trying to worry about the change and curve.

I'm not ready to crown him king yet just because he was rated good in our system. I see legitimate flaws in his game that makes me shake my head that we gave him this money before Medlen, Minor, Simmons, Heyward.

Medlen will be 30 when he reaches FA, meh.

Simba/JHey/JUp, sure.

Also, it was his first full year as a SP, what were you expecting?

He exceeded most fans expectations imo.

Oh.

After April last year, Teheran had 150 strikeouts and just 37 walks.

Pedro, probably not, but the talent IS there.

 

[The Tariff King]

150 k and 37 walks in one month has to be a record

 

[AUTiger7222]

He's already had one, and yes because when Wood started last year, he looked way more comfortable than Teheran did.

I watched Teheran like most of you, and most of his outings it was a struggle just to get to the 5th inning let alone the 6th. It'd be a miracle if he made it to the 5th without already walking a few or getting out of jams like Jorge Sosa. He was already at 80 pitches in the 3rd and 4th inning on plenty occasions. And unlike most of you, I don't see anything special about his fastball and change up. His fastball sits at 92-94 occasionally hitting 95 when he tries to force it, but he has no control over it. The change up has been extremely overrated, especially because Laird claimed whenever he caught Teheran that they were getting his pitches to work. McCann is rated as one of the best pitch callers and frames the ball 20x better than Laird, and Mac and Julio never got on the same page. Laird was obviously hyping up Julio to get some PT as if he was Julio's personal catcher.

I don't see the Pedro comparisons because Pedro's mechanics were very controlled despite looking very wild. Teheran needs to learn to control his fastball first before even trying to worry about the change and curve.

I'm not ready to crown him king yet just because he was rated good in our system. I see legitimate flaws in his game that makes me shake my head that we gave him this money before Medlen, Minor, Simmons, Heyward.

Despite all those things you just said, here are the facts. Julio Teheran was terrible in his first 3 starts of the season. In his next 27 he was great.

27 G, 27 GS (17-10 Braves record), 169 2/3 IP (6 IP per start), 152 H, 56 R, 53 ER, 17 HR, 38 BB, 158 SO, 2.81 ERA, .239/.291/.374 (.665), .290 BABIP, 67% Strikes

So I don't know where you're getting this Jorge Sosa comparison at because the numbers say differently. The numbers say that Julio was dominate after his terrible start to the season.