Braves Trade Deadline Rumors

Dunit24 said:
I disagree respectively. If JS had traded for a Kimbrel type closer, we have more than 1 title. Period. I agree that its easy to look back and say oh if we had this, we would have won, but to my point - You look at our roster. What can we possibly do to prevent saying "oh if we had done this, etc.." in the offseason? Dont ever be satisfied. I feel like Wren and Fredi are satisfied, and I feel like its going to bite us in the butt. Weaknesses are there. Address them. Throw odds all day long but look at a team like Pittsburgh. Ok they have the same odds no matter what they do and if they add an impact player or two, sure they odds just go up percentage points, but id much rather face Pittsburgh with the team they have right now rather than if they trade for a good SS and a good OF.
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To me the one weakness that can be addressed at a reasonable cost is a second lefty in the pen. There may be some other deals, but it all depends on what we have to send back in return. I'd love David Price, but I don't think it is realistic given Tampa is a contender and the price would be prohibitive. Headley would be nice, but I think again it depends on what we have to ship back in return. None of those trades would make us the favorites to win the WS. It would move the needle a percentage point or two, but that's all.
 
Well if it gives us a better shot to win it, im all for it. Just hope the organization isnt satisfied. Getting a second lefty and a bench player is a good start. Getting a third lefty would be even better. We have pieces to do it.
 
Wren and Fredi want to win more than anyone else. The notion that they are "satisfied" whereas those of us who are fans want to win more badly is just absurd. That's not the difference at all. The difference is they live in reality. A world in which there is a limit on how much they spend. A world in which other GMs are trying to extract as much as possible for the guys they make available at the trade deadline. A world in which player performance is uncertain and where you want to be careful not to overpay for rental who at the end of the day will only improve the chances of winning the WS by a small amount.
 
We should be looking to do 2 things at the deadline.

First we should certainly consider and upgrade at 3B. Johnson has been more than fine, he's been our 6th best position player when defense is factored in but I don't want to pay him the 8 million or so he'll likely get in arbitration next year so looking to upgrade now isn't a bad idea. If we can get Headley for a respectable package we should. While he may not outhit Johnson, he'll way out field Johnson. And moving him from the meh offense of San Diego to the Braves offense and from Petco to Turner may just spark a hot streak from him. Not ot mention he's coming back from his injury so who knows.

Second we should make a move for a reliever. Either a dominant one like Jesse Crain or a lefty like Dunn. We need one reliever at least to help with our 6/7 inning work.
 
zitothebrave said:
We should be looking to do 2 things at the deadline.

First we should certainly consider and upgrade at 3B. Johnson has been more than fine, he's been our 6th best position player when defense is factored in but I don't want to pay him the 8 million or so he'll likely get in arbitration next year so looking to upgrade now isn't a bad idea. If we can get Headley for a respectable package we should. While he may not outhit Johnson, he'll way out field Johnson. And moving him from the meh offense of San Diego to the Braves offense and from Petco to Turner may just spark a hot streak from him. Not ot mention he's coming back from his injury so who knows.

Second we should make a move for a reliever. Either a dominant one like Jesse Crain or a lefty like Dunn. We need one reliever at least to help with our 6/7 inning work.
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What is the difference in expected wins with Headley at third rather than Johnson, and what would you be willing to give up for that?
 
nsacpi said:
The interesting thing about the current team is that one or two of our power hitters could get hot and carry us through a playoff series or two. People like to complain about this team's inconsistency. But I don't see that as a problem. Inconsistent teams can win the WS if they get on a hot streak at the right time.
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Nail on the head right here. My hope is, get lefty bullpen help and hope the hot streak we had in the beginning of the year, happens at the end and goes right through the playoffs.
 
nsacpi said:
What is the difference in expected wins with Headley at third rather than Johnson, and what would you be willing to give up for that?
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This year Johnson has like a full WAR lower than Headley. And when healthy Headley has proven to be much much better (high of 7.2 fWAR)

As far as what I'd be willing to give up, I'd give up 1 premium prospect, 1 mid tier and a few throw ins. So like Wood, Cunningham, and a few others, or a lesser top prospect and go Graham, Betancourt, and a few others. I wouldn't go bonkers but I"d certainly more than kick the tires.
 
zitothebrave said:
This year Johnson has like a full WAR lower than Headley. And when healthy Headley has proven to be much much better (high of 7.2 fWAR)

As far as what I'd be willing to give up, I'd give up 1 premium prospect, 1 mid tier and a few throw ins. So like Wood, Cunningham, and a few others, or a lesser top prospect and go Graham, Betancourt, and a few others. I wouldn't go bonkers but I"d certainly more than kick the tires.
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What's your expectation regarding the difference in WAR between the two.
 
zitothebrave said:
This year Johnson has like a full WAR lower than Headley. And when healthy Headley has proven to be much much better (high of 7.2 fWAR)

As far as what I'd be willing to give up, I'd give up 1 premium prospect, 1 mid tier and a few throw ins. So like Wood, Cunningham, and a few others, or a lesser top prospect and go Graham, Betancourt, and a few others. I wouldn't go bonkers but I"d certainly more than kick the tires.
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You should be fired on the spot. GOOD DAY SIR
 
BTW just cause I'm thinking about it our lineup would be awesome

CF - Heyward
RF - Justin
1B - Freddie
3B - Headley
C - Mac
LF - Gattis
2B - Uggla
SS - Simmons

Bench
OF - BJ
OF - Schafer
SS/2B - Pastor
3B/1B - Johnson
C - Laird

That team would be sick.
 
thethe said:
WTF? Trade Alex Wood to upgrade a position that has been a plus this year? Wow.
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Not that I'm necessarily in favor of such a deal involving Alex Wood, but it's hardly the insane proposition you and (especially) tapate make it out to be.
 
BRule said:
Healthy Headley > Wood
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Value(Healthy Headley) < Value(Wood)

Where the value function is expected WAR per dollar of salary over the period of contractual control. Don't think it is even close. Those pre-arb years are pure gold. Don't underestimate.
 
nsacpi said:
Value(Healthy Headley) < Value(Wood)

Where the value function is expected WAR per dollar of salary over the period of contractual control. Don't think it is even close. Those pre-arb years are pure gold. Don't underestimate.
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Depends how good you think Wood is going to be, he could also fail in the Roto and move to the pen full time. Headley, along with Wright is going to be a top 2-3 3B in the NL for the next 6-8 years. Also, Headley has way more value around the league than Wood does and that's with Headley at his lowest.
 
BRule said:
Depends how good you think Wood is going to be, he could also fail in the Roto and move to the pen full time. Headley, along with Wright is going to be a top 2-3 3B in the NL for the next 6-8 years. Also, Headley has way more value around the league than Wood does and that's with Headley at his lowest.
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Depends on how good both players are expected to be. It is true there is more uncertainty about pitchers and about young players. But there is uncertainty about established veterans like Headley.
 
thethe said:
Headley has had one good season in his career. I don't get the fascination. with him. Alex Wood has ace stuff. So sent mean he'll be an ace but I don't want to trade him.
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Well....in 2011 he had a wRC+ of 121 with a 340 wOBA and 2012 he posts a wRC+ 145 with a wOBA of 378 and a 7.2 WAR.

I would say he's coming of 1 pretty good year and 1 great year where he showed signs of what his potential is, plus he has been insane in the field this year. I think there's plenty to be fascinated with, which is why the Padres have been getting calls on him for the last year and a half with teams offering their top prospects for him.
 
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