Braves trade Shreve and Carpenter for Manny Banuelos

holden said:
I still don't see how we are going to win as many games as we won last year.
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We aren't. 70 is probably a good over/under. I'm guessing over by a win or two (unfortunately). In the ideal rebuild aimed at 2017, we would drop to 65 or so and get a great pick.
 
Russ2dollas said:
We could not be stuck with that money in 2017 and 18. We could put Terdo out there and see if he magically does something.

We could get a protected pick in the next draft and be able to sign a big free agent with our saved money and not lose a pick.

If Markakis was 2 yrs i don't think most would care.
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True, my main issue with that deal was the length of it.
 
holden said:
I still don't see how we are going to win as many games as we won last year. If you think that, then you must think we are a 90 win team with Heyward and Justin.. right?
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Who cares if they are a possible 90 win team with those guys. Them leaving for nothing was not an option that should be considered.
 
It's unbelievable how some blindly defend whatever move is done this offseason. I'm about halfway convinced we could trade Freeman for a young stud pitcher coming off TJ who has never pitched above AA, and some of you would be in favor
 
bravesnumberone said:
It's unbelievable how some blindly defend whatever move is done this offseason. I'm about halfway convinced we could trade Freeman for a young stud pitcher coming off TJ who has never pitched above AA, and some of you would be in favor
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The organization that consistently identified talent for over 15+ years is back together. The lifeblood of those great teams aside from the starting staff was the ability to fill needs through call ups and trade of prospects. It takes time to rebuild a dead organization but the process has been greatly accelerated. I will choose to trust men that did it so successfully for so long.
 
thethe said:
Rasmus is awful.
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Last 3 years Markakis has a 104 wRC+, Rasmus 102, Markakis had a 4 fWAR and Rasmus a 6.4.

Last 2 years Markakis has a 97 wRC+, Rasmus 117, Markakis had a 2.4 WAR and Rasmus a 5.4

If Rasmus is awful, what does that make Markakis?
 
zitothebrave said:
Last 3 years Markakis has a 104 wRC+, Rasmus 102, Markakis had a 4 fWAR and Rasmus a 6.4.

Last 2 years Markakis has a 97 wRC+, Rasmus 117, Markakis had a 2.4 WAR and Rasmus a 5.4

If Rasmus is awful, what does that make Markakis?
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Rasmus is the quintessential all or nothing hitter. GUy is about to fall off a cliff. Can't make consistent contact at all. If he qualified he would have been tied for 1st with the highest K rate. PASS!
 
There is zero reason to sign Markakis with what we are doing. Zero. That money could be put toward expediting BJ's removal if he doesn't bounce back. We lost Heyward and Upton and have replaced them with Markakis and a utility infielder. And Bethancourt, I suppose. That isn't going to make us competitive. Markakis and Shelby Miller don't make us contenders. See what you've got with your outfielders you already have and stop wasting that money.
 
thethe said:
The organization that consistently identified talent for over 15+ years is back together. The lifeblood of those great teams aside from the starting staff was the ability to fill needs through call ups and trade of prospects. It takes time to rebuild a dead organization but the process has been greatly accelerated. I will choose to trust men that did it so successfully for so long.
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Do I need to remind you of the final years of JS as GM or Hart's tenure in Texas?
 
thethe said:
Of course not but its another piece that makes the lineup more formidable. I'm very interested to see what a lineup with more contact guys can yield.
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I hope it works. I hope trying to no suck in 2015 and 2016 doesn't give us another Uggla type issue in 2017 and 2018.

I can talk myself into a situation where the year is interesting. Tehran is Tehran. Wood continues what he's done. Miller is the pitcher he was projected to be. Minor goes back to being Minor. This guy gives us a good 3 or 4 level starter production out of the 5th spot. Hale is solid as an occasional swing guy. Bullpen arms give us power options and CK is CK. FF gets some more power. Gattis hits like he did last year before the DL and goes from un playable to awful in LF. CJ is more like his first year. Simmons is more like his first year at the plate. Any thing is better at 2B and CF than last year. Maybe Markakis gets on base and provides some vet leadership. Maybe Cuban guy is a starter. We win games 2-1, 3-2. Win maybe 85. Division beats up on each other and who knows.

I don't believe any of it, but it's possible.
 
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