Coppy keeps saying we're getting 2-3 SP
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zbhargrove
Well-known member
I could do Nova for a 3 year deal.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I would be good with Gray... but what would we have to give up realistically. He had one bad year and is young and controllable.. I think he holds value still.
The As are looking for a legit CFer to complement the rest of their young lineup, so Mallex could be a good start. I doubt Blair holds any value to them though.
I'm also not sure the As are interested in selling low on Gray.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I figured we'd fall into trade talks.
I looks like nobody is feeling multi year deals for any of these guys.
I'm not either. I think we have money next year. I'd be willing to overpay someone for next year if we got a reasonable team option for year 2 and 3.
Let's say Fister wants 3/30. what if we paid him 17 million in exchange for a team option at 10 the next year and 10 the year after that? It limits our long term exposure. Makes him very tradeable if young pitching steps up.
If we sign two FA pitchers I'd look to pay big in 17 while we have money and look to stay out of long term commitments. Team options at team friendly rates would be best.
I don't think we get any studs in the 18 FA class, but I think you want to be in a position to potentially do so.
I looks like nobody is feeling multi year deals for any of these guys.
I'm not either. I think we have money next year. I'd be willing to overpay someone for next year if we got a reasonable team option for year 2 and 3.
Let's say Fister wants 3/30. what if we paid him 17 million in exchange for a team option at 10 the next year and 10 the year after that? It limits our long term exposure. Makes him very tradeable if young pitching steps up.
If we sign two FA pitchers I'd look to pay big in 17 while we have money and look to stay out of long term commitments. Team options at team friendly rates would be best.
I don't think we get any studs in the 18 FA class, but I think you want to be in a position to potentially do so.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I think the Braves go with:
Jorge de la Rosa (R)
Jamie Garcia (L) - if he doesn't get the QO, Jon Niese if Garcia gets the QO
Charlie Morton (R) if option isn't picked up, Bud Norris or Josh Collmenter otherwise.
Teheran, Garcia, Folty, de la Rosa, Morton
or
Teheran, Folty, de la Rosa, Niese, Norris
I think Wisler and Blair start back at AAA
Jorge de la Rosa (R)
Jamie Garcia (L) - if he doesn't get the QO, Jon Niese if Garcia gets the QO
Charlie Morton (R) if option isn't picked up, Bud Norris or Josh Collmenter otherwise.
Teheran, Garcia, Folty, de la Rosa, Morton
or
Teheran, Folty, de la Rosa, Niese, Norris
I think Wisler and Blair start back at AAA
Any good free agents aren't making it to free agency, unless they're guys like Harper who want to be paid massively. That free agency class of studs will dwindle a lot between now and then.
I think they're going to make a little more of an effort than that. We're not getting Sale or Archer, but I don't think we're settling for guys who Gant and Whalen can outpitch.
Acquiring Sale and Gray would pretty much gut the Braves Top 10 prospects list.
Thankfully, Coppy was literally just quoted as saying they aren't going to do that.
De La Rosa is LHed, and I think he is a likely target. He isn't exactly the reliable guy I think they are looking for, but he should be cheap and won't cost a draft pick to sign.
The rest of your suggestions are also possible.
One thing I am ceratin of: folks here will continue to suggest scenarios where the Braves acquire guys like Sale, Quintana, Archer and Gray despite Coppy literally just saying they won't part with the young assets needed to acquire guys like that. Those people will be severely disappointed with the guys that fill out the 2017 rotation when it's Shields and De La Rosa (or worse).
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
you might be able to afford a million dollar house, but if you only have 1.3 million, then it is not wise to buy that million dollar house. We are going to be better next year.. but don't let optimism clout your better judgment.. no way should we mortgage the future for those guys.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Probably right.
You know they want the other 3 spots to be Wisler, Blair, Jenkins, Newcombe. They just don't want to count on those guys based on what they did. But if a couple of those guys play up to their potential then you don't want to block them either. You need a movable asset.
rico43
<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
How many times have we seen or heard that the Braves' 15th or 20th or 25th prospects would rate as top 10s for other teams. I promise you that teams covet Atlanta's second 10 or third 10 almost as much as their top 10. We have prospects to spare.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Yeah, messed up on de la Rosa.
I think getting him out of Coors automatically lowers his era by a point just by cutting down the HR.
And I agree. I just see no way that the Braves will be players for Sale, Quintana, Archer OR Gray. If any of those guys hit the market, I think teams that are already competing would offer way more than the Braves would/could. For instance if Sale was offered, I would see the Red Sox jumping in and offering one of Benetendi or Moncada, Devers and Kopech. And all three of those guys would be higher regarded than the best the Braves would have to offer, excluding Swanson and Albies.
If the Chisox could get that from Boston, why would they entertain a Braves offer?
Sale will cost several top 100 guys, regardless of where they rank on an individual team's list. The Braves currently have 7 of them (Swanson, Albies, Newcomb, Allard, Anderson, Maitan, and Soroka), and 2 guys that might be considered top 100 guys by other organizations if they value their ultimate upside (Touki and Fried). The other asset of real value is Mallex or Inciarte if the Braves deem them redundant players and want to maximize their overall value to the franchise by trading one of them.
Here are rumors about what they wanted for Sale at the deadline:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/chris-sale-trade-rumors-sox.html
I know fans overvalue their own team's prospects, but there is 0 chance the ChiSox trade Sale for a bunch of guys outside the top 100. So what package do you think qualifies as even remotely close to what they want for Sale that doesn't include at least 4 guys from the list I mentioned above?
A package for Sale probably starts with Mallex, plus Newcomb, plus Albies, plus one of the elite pitchers in Rome. That gets the conversation started, and then the Braves are stuck with Jace at 2B for the foreseeable future. Sale is an insanely valuable asset, and acquiring him will take a considerable commitment of resources.
They wouldn't. The BoSox are currently in the position the Braves hope to be in 3-4 years from now: a full MLB roster AND impact talent in the minors. The Braves currently have a below average MLB roster, and are in no position to trade away their impact talent in the minors.
The only redundant piece with any significant value is one of Mallex or Inciarte. I could see a fairly significant trade happening based around one of those guys with a team that needs a CFer (like the A's or Cubs). The Braves could, for example, package Mallex with a young arm they feel is currently pitching over his head for Gray if the A's are actually interested in moving him. Another example is a Baez for Inciarte trade since both players have nearly the same value.
Sure we can afford it, in that we have enough prospects to get it done. But we absolutely can not afford it, in the sense that we can get those guys and still love the way our future looks.
I just can't emphasize enough how dumb I think that would be for us to do.
bravesfanforlife88
Well-known member
And of course, it is a valid argument. Do you give up a big package similar to what we gave up for Tex to get an ace, or do you hold on to those propects and hope he overall production of the group is better than one ace.