Couple 3B options

smootness said:
Ha. No, I'm saying no one will ever give us Bregman for that package. Period. There's no point in discussing it.
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So...what do YOU think it would take? It's easy to say, no, no no without ever putting yourself out there as to what YOU think it would take.

Keep in mind, MLBTR is reporting that they have interest in Mike Napoli for 1B, which probably eliminates the possibility that Gurriel plays there.

Inciarte is a GG CF who's shown he can LO and play at a 4-5 WAR level under control for 4 more years. And, you are saying he's not a legit basis for trade for Bregman - not 1 for 1, but a start.

You may think they don't move Bregman under ANY circumstances, much like the Angels won't move Trout. That might be right. BUT, their actions such as signing Gurriel to start with doesn't signal that to be the case.
 
The only 2 upgrades at 3b available on the FA market are Turner and Valbuena. Turner is obviously not an option, but MLBTR predicts Valbuena signs for 2/15. I would be all in favor of a Valbuena/Garcia platoon at that price.
 
I think any bregman deal would start with Tehran.

They don't want prospects. They don't want inciarte for bregman. They could play bregman in cf
 
Russ2dollas said:
I think any bregman deal would start with Tehran.

They don't want prospects. They don't want inciarte for bregman. They could play bregman in cf
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OK, trade them Teheran if that's what it takes. Of course, unlike many here I don't see Teheran as anything more than a good 2 at this point and more likely a long term 3. But, if I move Teheran, then I wouldn't want to send much more since the scarcity of pitching THIS offseason makes it more valuable than it might be in other seasons.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
OK, trade them Teheran if that's what it takes. Of course, unlike many here I don't see Teheran as anything more than a good 2 at this point and more likely a long term 3. But, if I move Teheran, then I wouldn't want to send much more since the scarcity of pitching THIS offseason makes it more valuable than it might be in other seasons.
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Your opinion of Teheran borders on absurd. He's a one with a touch of a gopher problem. He is certainly not a three in anyone's book but yours.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
OK, trade them Teheran if that's what it takes. Of course, unlike many here I don't see Teheran as anything more than a good 2 at this point and more likely a long term 3. But, if I move Teheran, then I wouldn't want to send much more since the scarcity of pitching THIS offseason makes it more valuable than it might be in other seasons.
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Trading Teheran, weaking our rotation -- and our current opening season starting -- is a good idea. We are done trading our big pieces man. I would imagine it's just not going to happen.

And regardless of his peripherals, the guy's ERA and innings show he's a number two at the least. This past season, he was a number one. Not ace. But number one.
 
If Plouffe was looking at a one year deal to prove value again I'd definitely sign him. Anyone who is willing to sogn a one year deal I'm good with. We got some decent prospects back last year for scrap heap guys. I'd like to have some better players to flip this July.
 
For those kinds of deals, one year plus an option is the ideal. It gives the club some potential upside value.
 
smootness said:
The heck?
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He had a good year with the bat in '16. Looks a lot better at .260 than at .220. From '12-'15 he was an all-or-nothing guy with a very low contact rate. Good defender.

I guess what I really mean is, is he an upgrade from what we can do internally? And the answer is, no, he's only a marginal improvement, if any...and he's going to cost a pile. So it'd make more sense to spend the cash on other stuff.

Hopefully that's a little clearer.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
He had a good year with the bat in '16. Looks a lot better at .260 than at .220. From '12-'15 he was an all-or-nothing guy with a very low contact rate. Good defender.

I guess what I really mean is, is he an upgrade from what we can do internally? And the answer is, no, he's only a marginal improvement, if any...and he's going to cost a pile. So it'd make more sense to spend the cash on other stuff.

Hopefully that's a little clearer.
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I agree. A marginal upgrade. Gets us maybe 1 win more than the incumbent. When you account for cost, it is not a good way to gain that extra win.
 
Upgrading the Ruiz/Garcia 1-2 WAR cluster**** to a Valbuena/Garcia 2-3 WAR platoon at the cost of 2/15 only really makes sense if the Braves take the plunge on acquiring an Ace. Since trading for an Ace is almost certainly not happening, and there isn't any other upgrade at 3B available, they should probably just stick with Ruiz/Garcia.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Your opinion of Teheran borders on absurd. He's a one with a touch of a gopher problem. He is certainly not a three in anyone's book but yours.
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I said 2 now, more likely 3 long term. Teheran's velocity puts him in a spot where if he loses much more, it makes his control and movement become so important that it's unlikely he can maintain 2 success.

I'm not knocking him. I'm projecting him. In my mind, today he's a decent 2 who most likely transforms to a 3 as he ages.
 
Depending on the price for Valbuana I'd be interested. If we could get him for something like 2/17 I think he'd be worth it. I'd even front load it to make him more attractive in trade this July or next offseason.

I think he'll go to an AL team who can use him at 1B and DH though. He'd have more value with them.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Trading Teheran, weaking our rotation -- and our current opening season starting -- is a good idea. We are done trading our big pieces man. I would imagine it's just not going to happen.

And regardless of his peripherals, the guy's ERA and innings show he's a number two at the least. This past season, he was a number one. Not ace. But number one.
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He pitched well this past offseason. But, just because he's the best pitcher on a bad team doesn't make him a true 1. Do I think the Braves will trade Teheran? No. Should they be open to it under the right circumstances? Absolutely, given the fact that they are more likely to max his value now when other pitching options are scarce than at any other time. Add to that the fact that the Braves have stocked with minor league pitching and brought in innings eaters this offseason (not difference makers) and I would say moving Teheran wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
He pitched well this past offseason. But, just because he's the best pitcher on a bad team doesn't make him a true 1. Do I think the Braves will trade Teheran? No. Should they be open to it under the right circumstances? Absolutely, given the fact that they are more likely to max his value now when other pitching options are scarce than at any other time. Add to that the fact that the Braves have stocked with minor league pitching and brought in innings eaters this offseason (not difference makers) and I would say moving Teheran wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
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He's not untouchable. I know that. Dude is a good pitcher. But trading him would set the team back pretty massively -- even if they got a really good position player.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
He's not untouchable. I know that. Dude is a good pitcher. But trading him would set the team back pretty massively -- even if they got a really good position player.
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We're not that far away in our thinking. He is a good pitcher. Will he ever be a "great" pitcher? I think not, but could be wrong. Trading him would set the team back for 2017, no doubt, but there are other things that could do that as well such as Teheran blowing out his arm in April. We don't know that will happen and history says that he's pretty durable but it's certainly possible.

To me, it's a question of "are we really done with the rebuild and ready to compete" as opposed to "we are still a year or more away."

I fall into the second camp and say that losing Teheran for 2017 hurts 2017 but likely is overcome by 2018 and beyond, especially if he's traded for the right player (package of players).
 
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