DRAFT IN PROGRESS THREAD ... What's past is preamble

nsacpi said:
He was once a Top 100 prospect. I don't think he made any this past off-season and will be surprised if he makes any lists this off-season. Not that I justify my opinions by whether or not they are within the consensus.
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Of course he didn't make a list outside of the organization, hes been hurt for 2 years. Lefties that touch upper 90s that are the centerpiece of a big trade are prospects. If hes healthy and finishes the year strong, he will be on a prospect list.
 
nsacpi said:
As a rough rule 1 out of 5 in Low A pan out. 1 out of 4 in High A. 1 out of 3 in AA and 1 out of 2 in AAA. Imo we have 2 real pitching prospects in AAA (Lucas and Gant), 1 in AA (Newcomb), 1 in High A (Povse) and two in Low A (Allard and Soroka). I know some will disagree about me leaving guys like Jenkins, Ellis, Toussaint, Sanchez and Fried off these lists. But I call em as I seem em. ymmv. Based on what we have, we can be expected to generate 2 to 3 starters for the major league team from the guys I listed. That's not a surplus!
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Compared to every other organization the braves have a surplus. It is silly to keep insisting they need to acquire more pitching.
 
rico43 said:
This has been said ad nauseum tonight, but here it is again.

You. Don't. Draft. For. Need.
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Chipper actually said on MLB Network today that the Braves drafted him because they had a need, and that he didn't think he was the best player in that draft class. Not arguing. But HIM saying something like that made me take notice.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm glad you get that. Now go to bed before you post more stupid things.
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The heck are you talking about? What have I said that is incorrect? If you don't believe you have to have enough minor league pitching to project to have more than 5 major league SPs based on actuarial tables, then tell me what you do believe. Because everything you've said suggests exactly that.
 
smootness said:
The heck are you talking about? What have I said that is incorrect? If you don't believe you have to have enough minor league pitching to project to have more than 5 major league SPs based on actuarial tables, then tell me what you do believe. Because everything you've said suggests exactly that.
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Maybe someone else can be kind enough to decipher what I said for you. I'm calling it a night.
 
nsacpi said:
Maybe someone else can be kind enough to decipher what I said for you. I'm calling it a night.
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Haha you continue to not just give me a straight answer on this. You pretty clearly believe that to say we have a 'surplus' it means we have to project to have more than 5 major league SPs produced from our current system. And you base those projections on your actuarial tables. That's fine, but it also means it's impossible to ever have a minor league pitching 'surplus' by that definition.

Please, someone be so kind as to decipher what this Aristotle has said for my elephant brain.
 
ChadWC said:
People don't project HS pitchers to be an "ace". They are projected as mid rotation guys. I'm not sure you can get past the hate goggles to actually see him for what he is but he has as good of a shot as any pitcher in the draft to be a top of the rotation guy.
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I don't think I have hate goggles. I like Anderson. I do. I just don't like him at 3.

I think Anderson's strength is more a lack of weakness. He projects to have a good fastball, curve, and change and he can control them all. That's rare for a prep pitcher. But he needs something more to be an ace.

I think guys like Pint and Groome have better shots at being aces but likely better chances of flaming out.

Anderson is going to need to do something. His curve will have to become a knee buckler like Wainwright or he'll need to sit at 96 with the fastball consistently or something like that if he wants to become an ace. I see it as far more likely he ends up being a very good if not great pitcher.
 
I'm calling my shot at 76 and 80 with Jesus Luzardo and Akil Baddoo with Dietz off the board.
 
striker42 said:
Anderson had an oblique injury. That's not illness. It's also a concern. You hope he fills out and it becomes less of a concern but it is a consideration.

As for velocity, its easy to get caught up in draft articles saying a guy can hit 96. You start to think of him as sitting at 96 when he usually works around 92. People arguing for Anderson's ace potential seem to base a lot on velocity. I think it's wise to dial that back a bit and expect him to work at 91-93.
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You missed my point in regard to relativity. If you apply this argument to Anderson then you have to apply it to everyone. In other words you are cautioning that Anderson's mph are bs then you should apply this to every other pitcher as well.
 
rico43 said:
This has been said ad nauseum tonight, but here it is again.

You. Don't. Draft. For. Need.
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I get that. But it seems like the Braves never prioritize hitting, aside from a year or two's worth of exceptions over the past twenty years.
 
striker42 said:
I don't think I have hate goggles. I like Anderson. I do. I just don't like him at 3.

I think Anderson's strength is more a lack of weakness. He projects to have a good fastball, curve, and change and he can control them all. That's rare for a prep pitcher. But he needs something more to be an ace.

I think guys like Pint and Groome have better shots at being aces but likely better chances of flaming out.

Anderson is going to need to do something. His curve will have to become a knee buckler like Wainwright or he'll need to sit at 96 with the fastball consistently or something like that if he wants to become an ace. I see it as far more likely he ends up being a very good if not great pitcher.
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So 3 plus pitches he can control. Mid 90s velocity. Thats pretty strong to start with. Not to mention he could theoretically be going back to HS next year since hes super young. Thats a pretty good combination of tools and skills that ace pitchers tend to possess.
 
weso1 said:
You missed my point in regard to relativity. If you apply this argument to Anderson then you have to apply it to everyone. In other words you are cautioning that Anderson's mph are bs then you should apply this to every other pitcher as well.
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I get that and I do. Like I said about Pint, he can hit 100+ but won't sit there. 95-97 is where he'll work. Anderson can hit 96 or so but is more likely to work in the low 90s. Good enough for success but not for being the signature of an ace.
 
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