DRAFT IN PROGRESS THREAD ... What's past is preamble

striker42 said:
His arsenal seems more middle of the rotation-ish to me. Multiple good pitches but nothing dominant. He's not got elite velocity, his breaking stuff is good but not Wainwright like.

There's a lot to like and a lot of reasons to think he'll be a solid pitcher. I don't see anything that jumps out as being the basis of reaching top of the rotation level.
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He has mid 90s heat, can already hit 97 and is projectable for more given his frame. His curve ball is reported by some to be devastating at times. Go watch some film and read some man

All Pint does is throw 100 with awful control
 
weso1 said:
What's your argument though? I gave reasons why I think Anderson is actually a pretty solid pick at #3. Mid 90's fastball with two good off speed pitches and good control/command. You mention he has injury concerns, but I've read the opposite. He has a smooth and easy delivery, with deceptive but repeatable delivery.
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The injury concerns come from him already missing time with injuries. It limited the look scouts got of him. And injuries my concerns aren't always about the arm. Some guys seem to always be tweaking some muscle or another. So an 18 year old missing time with an oblique isn't a great thing to see.

I also don't expect him to sit mid-90's. My rule of thumb is to back down a few mph from what you read in draft write ups. I expect Pint to work 95-97, not 99+. I expect Anderson to work 91-93, not 95-97.

Anderson just strikes me as a solid all around pitcher but without anything super special. A very valuable pitcher and well worthy of a first round pick. I just don't see the super special stuff you want to see in a top 10
 
nsacpi said:
A list of the hitters that I think he might be referring to: Moniak and Senzel ahead of pick #3, Lux, Perez, Sanchez, Kieboom, Carlson and Trammel ahead of #40 and #44.
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Senzel was the hitter we wanted, imo. Basically the Swanson of his position.
 
striker42 said:
The injury concerns come from him already missing time with injuries. It limited the look scouts got of him. And injuries my concerns aren't always about the arm. Some guys seem to always be tweaking some muscle or another. So an 18 year old missing time with an oblique isn't a great thing to see.

I also don't expect him to sit mid-90's. My rule of thumb is to back down a few mph from what you read in draft write ups. I expect Pint to work 95-97, not 99+. I expect Anderson to work 91-93, not 95-97.

Anderson just strikes me as a solid all around pitcher but without anything super special. A very valuable pitcher and well worthy of a first round pick. I just don't see the super special stuff you want to see in a top 10
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He also just turned 18, so you will likely see his velocity tick up a bit as he fills out and refines his mechanics.

I just don't see what you're saying in his scouting reports. 'Nothing super special' doesn't seem to fit, to me. That's a pretty special package as a whole.
 
zbhargrove said:
He has mid 90s heat, can already hit 97 and is projectable for more given his frame. His curve ball is reported by some to be devastating at times. Go watch some film and read some man

All Pint does is throw 100 with awful control
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Like I've said, my rule of thumb is to always back down from the radar numbers you read leading up to the draft. Anderson can hit mid 90s but is far more likely to end up working 91-93.

I keep thinking Matt Wisler as a comp. Lots to like. Works in the low 90s but can reach back for more. Good breaking stuff. Great makeup. Just not an ace.
 
smootness said:
Then what would you consider a surplus of pitching prospects?
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As a rough rule 1 out of 5 in Low A pan out. 1 out of 4 in High A. 1 out of 3 in AA and 1 out of 2 in AAA. Imo we have 2 real pitching prospects in AAA (Lucas and Gant), 1 in AA (Newcomb), 1 in High A (Povse) and two in Low A (Allard and Soroka). I know some will disagree about me leaving guys like Jenkins, Ellis, Toussaint, Sanchez and Fried off these lists. But I call em as I seem em. ymmv. Based on what we have, we can be expected to generate 2 to 3 starters for the major league team from the guys I listed. That's not a surplus!
 
striker42 said:
The injury concerns come from him already missing time with injuries. It limited the look scouts got of him. And injuries my concerns aren't always about the arm. Some guys seem to always be tweaking some muscle or another. So an 18 year old missing time with an oblique isn't a great thing to see.

I also don't expect him to sit mid-90's. My rule of thumb is to back down a few mph from what you read in draft write ups. I expect Pint to work 95-97, not 99+. I expect Anderson to work 91-93, not 95-97.

Anderson just strikes me as a solid all around pitcher but without anything super special. A very valuable pitcher and well worthy of a first round pick. I just don't see the super special stuff you want to see in a top 10
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So at 17...just turned 18, he can't add or maintain 93-96 in games as he gets bigger and stronger? Give me a break and come on man.....
 
striker42 said:
Like I've said, my rule of thumb is to always back down from the radar numbers you read leading up to the draft. Anderson can hit mid 90s but is far more likely to end up working 91-93.

I keep thinking Matt Wisler as a comp. Lots to like. Works in the low 90s but can reach back for more. Good breaking stuff. Great makeup. Just not an ace.
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Time will tell. I am not ready to give up on him yet.
 
striker42 said:
The injury concerns come from him already missing time with injuries. It limited the look scouts got of him. And injuries my concerns aren't always about the arm. Some guys seem to always be tweaking some muscle or another. So an 18 year old missing time with an oblique isn't a great thing to see.

I also don't expect him to sit mid-90's. My rule of thumb is to back down a few mph from what you read in draft write ups. I expect Pint to work 95-97, not 99+. I expect Anderson to work 91-93, not 95-97.

Anderson just strikes me as a solid all around pitcher but without anything super special. A very valuable pitcher and well worthy of a first round pick. I just don't see the super special stuff you want to see in a top 10
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He's super projectable so it's not unreasonable to think he will be in the 93-96 range. His FB also has a ton of movement. The curve is special and the oblique injury was a long time ago and not considered serious. And his command is way ahead of Pint.
 
nsacpi said:
As a rough rule 1 out of 5 in Low A pan out. 1 out of 4 in High A. 1 out of 3 in AA and 1 out of 2 in AAA. Imo we have 2 real pitching prospects in AAA (Lucas and Gant), 1 in AA (Newcomb), 1 in High A (Povse) and two in Low A (Allard and Soroka). I know some will disagree about me leaving guys like Jenkins, Ellis, Toussaint, Sanchez and Fried off these lists. But I call em as I seem em. ymmv. Based on what we have, we can be expected to generate 2 to 3 starters for the major league team from the guys I listed. That's not a surplus!
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Fried is a legit prospect.
 
striker42 said:
Like I've said, my rule of thumb is to always back down from the radar numbers you read leading up to the draft. Anderson can hit mid 90s but is far more likely to end up working 91-93.

I keep thinking Matt Wisler as a comp. Lots to like. Works in the low 90s but can reach back for more. Good breaking stuff. Great makeup. Just not an ace.
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Great curve potential... Very good change up... Has barely filled out at all. Just turned 18.
 
zbhargrove said:
He's super projectable so it's not unreasonable to think he will be in the 93-96 range. His FB also has a ton of movement. The curve is special and the oblique injury was a long time ago and not considered serious. And his command is way ahead of Pint.
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The ONLY calling card Riley Pint has is he throws hard. He struggles with command and the injury concern is real. If Pint sits 94-97...is there any difference in Anderson sitting 92-96?
 
nsacpi said:
As a rough rule 1 out of 5 in Low A pan out. 1 out of 4 in High A. 1 out of 3 in AA and 1 out of 2 in AAA. Imo we have 2 real pitching prospects in AAA (Lucas and Gant), 1 in AA (Newcomb), 1 in High A (Povse) and two in Low A (Allard and Soroka). I know some will disagree about me leaving guys like Jenkins, Ellis, Toussaint, Sanchez and Fried off these lists. But I call em as I seem em. ymmv. Based on what we have, we can be expected to generate 2 to 3 starters for the major league team from the guys I listed. That's not a surplus!
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So you think we have 5 real pitching prospects, and 2 of them are Gant and Povse?

Basically you don't think it's possible to have a surplus of pitching prospects. 12 real pitching prospects in AAA would be the definition of a pipe dream.
 
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