DRAFT IN PROGRESS THREAD ... What's past is preamble

striker42 said:
The injury concerns come from him already missing time with injuries. It limited the look scouts got of him. And injuries my concerns aren't always about the arm. Some guys seem to always be tweaking some muscle or another. So an 18 year old missing time with an oblique isn't a great thing to see.

I also don't expect him to sit mid-90's. My rule of thumb is to back down a few mph from what you read in draft write ups. I expect Pint to work 95-97, not 99+. I expect Anderson to work 91-93, not 95-97.

Anderson just strikes me as a solid all around pitcher but without anything super special. A very valuable pitcher and well worthy of a first round pick. I just don't see the super special stuff you want to see in a top 10
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Obviously you are equating injuries with illnesses which is absurd and I think you know that.

That's fine if you take a stance of relativity when it comes to velocity, but what's the point? Pint is still dynamic at 96 and Anderson is still comparatively dynamic at 92. If you apply this universally.
 
smootness said:
He also just turned 18, so you will likely see his velocity tick up a bit as he fills out and refines his mechanics.

I just don't see what you're saying in his scouting reports. 'Nothing super special' doesn't seem to fit, to me. That's a pretty special package as a whole.
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Special? Absolutely. Super special? No. People seem to think projecting him as a middle of the rotation guy is saying he's gonna be a bust. I think the fact he so easily projects as a middle of the rotation starter is what makes him valuable. I just don't want that at 3.

Anderson doesn't have a ton of holes in his game. He has a good arsenal and good command. But he needs something truly elite to be an ace.
 
striker42 said:
Special? Absolutely. Super special? No. People seem to think projecting him as a middle of the rotation guy is saying he's gonna be a bust. I think the fact he so easily projects as a middle of the rotation starter is what makes him valuable. I just don't want that at 3.

Anderson doesn't have a ton of holes in his game. He has a good arsenal and good command. But he needs something truly elite to be an ace.
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So the guy who's only forte is to throw 100 and has more injury risk with awful command is more special?
 
cajunrevenge said:
Someone please explain to me how a team that has the previous years #1 overall prospect in Swanson and is about to sign Maitan who would be the #1 pick in 2016 if he was eligible but we are somehow neglecting bats. When Maitan signs our top 3 prospects will be bats and we are a system loaded with pitching.
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If one trusts the gossip at mlb.com (and I don't), the Braves have the inside track on Kevin Maitan (IF), Abrahan Gutierrez (C), Yunior Severino (IF), Yenci Pena (IF), and Livan Soto (IF) for the international signings. All are ranked in the Top 30 at mlb.com. Now I don't know if we will sign all these guys or whether any of them will develop into major league players, but that's five hitting prospects.

I guess if we're crazy to draft Anderson at #3, they just backed up the truck to the San Diego office to load up A.J. Preller and his scouting staff after taking Quantrill at #8, seeing he was ranked at #38 in the Baseball America's rankings (and we all know that's the Gospel). Not to mention the TJ surgery.
 
striker42 said:
Special? Absolutely. Super special? No. People seem to think projecting him as a middle of the rotation guy is saying he's gonna be a bust. I think the fact he so easily projects as a middle of the rotation starter is what makes him valuable. I just don't want that at 3.

Anderson doesn't have a ton of holes in his game. He has a good arsenal and good command. But he needs something truly elite to be an ace.
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People don't project HS pitchers to be an "ace". They are projected as mid rotation guys. I'm not sure you can get past the hate goggles to actually see him for what he is but he has as good of a shot as any pitcher in the draft to be a top of the rotation guy.
 
I'd bet they were targeting bats at 40/44, and people didn't fall. They played the slot game and lost. 3 fine picks, but not the hitters we need
 
atl717 said:
I like getting three top 25 guys, but they are high school pitchers and come with a lot of risk.
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They sure do. And our track record with HS starting pitchers taken between the end of the first round and end of the third round is sobering. Once Moniak and Senzel were off the board, I was ok with the Anderson pick.
 
nsacpi said:
this part i don't recall saying
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You're saying we would have to project to have a major league surplus in order to have a minor league surplus. If 1 of 2 make it from AAA, that would mean you need 12 to end up with 6. I get that you can also have prospects in lower levels, but goodness...it would take something like 5 real pitching prospects in AAA (to get 2-3), 5 more in AA (to get 1-2), 5 more in A+ (to get about 1), and 5 more in A (to get 1). That is equally as outrageous as having 12 in AAA.
 
ChadWC said:
You'd be the only one not calling Fried a prospect then.
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He was once a Top 100 prospect. I don't think he made any this past off-season and will be surprised if he makes any lists this off-season. Not that I justify my opinions by whether or not they are within the consensus.
 
weso1 said:
Obviously you are equating injuries with illnesses which is absurd and I think you know that.

That's fine if you take a stance of relativity when it comes to velocity, but what's the point? Pint is still dynamic at 96 and Anderson is still comparatively dynamic at 92. Of you apply this universally.
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Anderson had an oblique injury. That's not illness. It's also a concern. You hope he fills out and it becomes less of a concern but it is a consideration.

As for velocity, its easy to get caught up in draft articles saying a guy can hit 96. You start to think of him as sitting at 96 when he usually works around 92. People arguing for Anderson's ace potential seem to base a lot on velocity. I think it's wise to dial that back a bit and expect him to work at 91-93.
 
ChadWC said:
People don't project HS pitchers to be an "ace". They are projected as mid rotation guys. I'm not sure you can get past the hate goggles to actually see him for what he is but he has as good of a shot as any pitcher in the draft to be a top of the rotation guy.
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Honestly people don't project anyone as an ace. Even Julio Urias is seriously being projected as a 2/3 starter. Projections for minor league pitchers are kind of stupid, tbh.
 
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