DRAFT IN PROGRESS THREAD ... What's past is preamble

skillet said:
Our draft comes down to Anderson, Wentz, Muller and Cumberland. We spent the preponderance of our draft money on those 4, and we'll be fortunate if we happen to get anything at all from any other pick. My personal early opinion, while the 3 arms appear to have quite a high ceiling, overall I'm not too high on this draft mainly because we need impact bats badly, and other than maybe Cumberland, we came away empty. Therefore I'd have to grade this draft at best a C and probably more likely a D.
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I'm giving it a solid B at worst.
 
What arelse some names you would like to see the Braves take today.

I would love to see Travis Watkins -Jr. ECU. He may stay another year but he would be a good pick up if we could get him.
 
skillet said:
Our draft comes down to Anderson, Wentz, Muller and Cumberland. We spent the preponderance of our draft money on those 4, and we'll be fortunate if we happen to get anything at all from any other pick. My personal early opinion, while the 3 arms appear to have quite a high ceiling, overall I'm not too high on this draft mainly because we need impact bats badly, and other than maybe Cumberland, we came away empty. Therefore I'd have to grade this draft at best a C and probably more likely a D.
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From what I've read they were wanting an impact bay at 40. With Rutherford, Keiboom, Trammel, and Benson all gone, the plan didn't work. They were pretty much left with Wentz or someone way further down the board.

There is no more volatile commodity than high school arms. There's a better than 50% chance that none of our top 3 picks ever contribute at the major league level. I would say the same if we'd drafted Pint or Groome.

I like taking some prep arms but spending your top 3 picks on them in an important draft isn't a great strategy.
 
skillet said:
Our draft comes down to Anderson, Wentz, Muller and Cumberland. We spent the preponderance of our draft money on those 4, and we'll be fortunate if we happen to get anything at all from any other pick. My personal early opinion, while the 3 arms appear to have quite a high ceiling, overall I'm not too high on this draft mainly because we need impact bats badly, and other than maybe Cumberland, we came away empty. Therefore I'd have to grade this draft at best a C and probably more likely a D.
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Agreed.
 
striker42 said:
From what I've read they were wanting an impact bay at 40. With Rutherford, Keiboom, Trammel, and Benson all gone, the plan didn't work. They were pretty much left with Wentz or someone way further down the board.

There is no more volatile commodity than high school arms. There's a better than 50% chance that none of our top 3 picks ever contribute at the major league level. I would say the same if we'd drafted Pint or Groome.

I like taking some prep arms but spending your top 3 picks on them in an important draft isn't a great strategy.
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I just have trouble believing Wentz would have fallen that far without an agreement already in place with a team. I think they were probably trying to get Wentz and a hitter, but I think they always targeted Wentz.
 
zbhargrove said:
I'll feel great about this draft if we trade Teheran for Moncada!
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I tend to doubt that's possible, and I would be pretty torn if we did it. I like Moncada a lot, obviously, but Teheran has pitched so well recently. Seems like it would be selling a bit low on him.
 
smootness said:
I tend to doubt that's possible, and I would be pretty torn if we did it. I like Moncada a lot, obviously, but Teheran has pitched so well recently. Seems like it would be selling a bit low on him.
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Selling a player outperforming his peripherals by that much for one of the absolute best prospects in the game doesn't seem like selling low.
 
zbhargrove said:
I'll feel great about this draft if we trade Teheran for Moncada!
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I do think Julio will be dealt sometime but would need a big haul if he keeps pitching like this. Not sure Boston trades Moncada though.

Given how cheap his contract is especially. Highest salary is 12-13 million in 2019 or 2020.
 
mqt said:
Selling a player outperforming his peripherals by that much for one of the absolute best prospects in the game doesn't seem like selling low.
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Maybe, but I'm not sure how much Teheran is outperforming his peripherals. His BABIP against is definitely low, but he's also putting up the best K rate of his career with a good BB rate. I would expect his numbers to come back down some as his BABIP increases, but I'm not sure I buy into his FIP so far this year. He's also someone who has been able to maintain a good BABIP (though obviously not this good) and outpitch his FIP throughout his career.

I just hesitate to trade a guy pitching that well who is so cheap for a 21-year-old with 3 HR in A+. Again, I like Moncada and scouts obviously love him, but you still never know what happens with him. If we're trading Teheran I'd prefer to see what we can get as a major league bat.
 
smootness said:
I just have trouble believing Wentz would have fallen that far without an agreement already in place with a team. I think they were probably trying to get Wentz and a hitter, but I think they always targeted Wentz.
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I think Wentz fell because he wants top 10 money or he's going to college. Not a lot of teams were willing to commit that much of their draft pool to a guy slated as a late first rounder. Also, from what I read one place there are concerns about Wentz due to his velocity falling off this spring. Haven't confirmed that though.

I'm also just saying what I've read in terms of wanting a hitter at 40. Apparently the Braves originally wanted to draft a hitter at 3 (Lewis or Ray under slot) and Anderson at 40. Anderson's late surge made them afraid he wouldn't be there at 40. They thought it more likely they could get an impact bat at 40.

So they decided to reach for Anderson at 3, sign him way under slot as he was going a dozen picks above where he should have, and hope to over slot a top prep bat at 40. Then they all got taken so we drafted Wentz as a consolation prize.

I think Muller was always the target at 44. Three prep pitchers with the top 3 picks just doesn't seem like it was our first choice.
 
skillet said:
Our draft comes down to Anderson, Wentz, Muller and Cumberland. We spent the preponderance of our draft money on those 4, and we'll be fortunate if we happen to get anything at all from any other pick. My personal early opinion, while the 3 arms appear to have quite a high ceiling, overall I'm not too high on this draft mainly because we need impact bats badly, and other than maybe Cumberland, we came away empty. Therefore I'd have to grade this draft at best a C and probably more likely a D.
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We got three top 25 prospects with our first 3 picks.

And the MLB draft isnt like the NFL draft where players play right away. I would have liked some bats too but you still dont reach. Not like any bat we took this year would be ready Opening Day next year.

Some of yall act like we were a couple bats away from contending.

We'll see what the international signings/market does.
 
striker42 said:
I think Wentz fell because he wants top 10 money or he's going to college. Not a lot of teams were willing to commit that much of their draft pool to a guy slated as a late first rounder. Also, from what I read one place there are concerns about Wentz due to his velocity falling off this spring. Haven't confirmed that though.

I'm also just saying what I've read in terms of wanting a hitter at 40. Apparently the Braves originally wanted to draft a hitter at 3 (Lewis or Ray under slot) and Anderson at 40. Anderson's late surge made them afraid he wouldn't be there at 40. They thought it more likely they could get an impact bat at 40.

So they decided to reach for Anderson at 3, sign him way under slot as he was going a dozen picks above where he should have, and hope to over slot a top prep bat at 40. Then they all got taken so we drafted Wentz as a consolation prize.

I think Muller was always the target at 44. Three prep pitchers with the top 3 picks just doesn't seem like it was our first choice.
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Where did you read all this?
 
smootness said:
Maybe, but I'm not sure how much Teheran is outperforming his peripherals. His BABIP against is definitely low, but he's also putting up the best K rate of his career with a good BB rate. I would expect his numbers to come back down some as his BABIP increases, but I'm not sure I buy into his FIP so far this year. He's also someone who has been able to maintain a good BABIP (though obviously not this good) and outpitch his FIP throughout his career.

I just hesitate to trade a guy pitching that well who is so cheap for a 21-year-old with 3 HR in A+. Again, I like Moncada and scouts obviously love him, but you still never know what happens with him. If we're trading Teheran I'd prefer to see what we can get as a major league bat.
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Coppy said if he trades Julio he'd want a major league ready hitting/players, not prospects.

Not sure which teams have that to deal Julio.
 
mqt said:
Selling a player outperforming his peripherals by that much for one of the absolute best prospects in the game doesn't seem like selling low.
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I think smoot is saying if we deal Julio he'd want a major league hitter in return, a damn good one.

Not a prospect. Although Moncada should be good but you never know.
 
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