nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Martin Prado is having a wonderful season.
ENOUGH. Call up Swanson, trade for a hitter...
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Martin Prado is having a wonderful season.
I like La Stella fine, and when he's being put in situations where he can be successful he's a useful player. Every team needs guys like that. The thing is, the majority of people like you just throw his name out there when you want to take shots at the Johns.
The simple fact is that Tommy's not good enough to be an everyday player regardless of where you play him, and we got a much better return for him than anyone had the right to expect. Utility guys that perform well when used correctly grow on trees, and we've got more of them than anyone needs - even without La Stella.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I don't think d'Arnaud goes above lukewarm.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Dalyn if Braves somehow bring Prado back.
sturg33
I
I'd challenge you to find one instance where I brought him up
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Dalyn if Braves somehow bring Prado back.
This is entirely too accurate. If you could tilt down, you would see Prado celebrating his new contract on a boat. Death from above, baby.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Yeah. I think I'm pretty much the only person who ever mentions him.
Five
New member
I thought we'd be worse.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
"I have an 86-year-old father who watches the Braves every night, and he doesn't want to hear about 2-3 years down the road."
That's certainly understandable but has no bearing on what should be done.
The win now at the expense of any concern for tomorrow approach is part of what got the Braves in the mess they now are in. The rebuild should have been done at least 5 years ago instead of slapping on a solid donut spare each time there was a flat in hopes of winning one more checkered flag. Now, we've got our car in the pits with a blown engine and no tires, ten technology generations behind, the driver has just been fired and you want to start slapping the new state of the art parts onto the wreck so you can at least watch the car go round, and round and round and maybe, just maybe other cars will blow an engine so you at least get the illusion of getting better.
That's certainly understandable but has no bearing on what should be done.
The win now at the expense of any concern for tomorrow approach is part of what got the Braves in the mess they now are in. The rebuild should have been done at least 5 years ago instead of slapping on a solid donut spare each time there was a flat in hopes of winning one more checkered flag. Now, we've got our car in the pits with a blown engine and no tires, ten technology generations behind, the driver has just been fired and you want to start slapping the new state of the art parts onto the wreck so you can at least watch the car go round, and round and round and maybe, just maybe other cars will blow an engine so you at least get the illusion of getting better.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
They should have invested in the young core of Freeman and Heyward and not pursued the other high-end guys like Uggla and the Uptons.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
1. Trade ANY veteran of value for future pieces and payroll relief. This isn't "fire-sale" which is getting rid of damaged goods at cut rate prices. This is a planned effort of turning 1 player into cash (money saved on payroll commitment) and multiple helpful pieces for when you can expect a possibility of REALLY being good again (and sustaining that level for an indefinite time).
A. An example of this MIGHT be: Teheran and Inciarte to Colorado for Dahl, McMahon and C Dom Nunez; OR Teheran to Boston for OF Benintendi and 1B Sam Travis;
B. Maybe Freeman in a package to Cleveland for Frazier and Bradley, etc.
C. Markakis back to Baltimore (along with a little cash) for Trey Mancini
D. Viz and Grilli to Texas for Lewis Brinson.
2. Load up on as much draft position and cash for 2016 as you can (they seem to be already doing this).
3. Break the bank on International signings in 2016 (avoid Cubans and Asians who are seen as ready or near ready ML options since they are usually overvalued). Bring in as many Maitan, Guiterrez and Severino's as you can understanding that each is likely a minimum of 4 years away, probably 6.
4. Don't worry about the record for 2016. The team is proven it's bad. Incremental improvement is bad for the rebuild, not good at this point. Draft at the top of the board in 2017.
5. Break in Swanson and Albies (and any other near term acquisitions that you get from the trade mentioned above) in September call ups to give them a taste and see how they react.
6. 2016-2017 offseason focus on incremental FA help and targeted trades where you are taking short term salary back without having to give up high end talent. Save your money and flexibility for the 2017-2018 FA crop.
7. Play the young team in 2017. Sure, they won't all be ready and sure they won't be hugely better BUT 2017 is the year to start the infusion process. The few veterans you have like Flowers will be hugely important in helping the young guys.
8. Unless the new CBA changes the equation, international signings in 2017 will be limited.
9. Fill holes in the 2017-2018 FA signing period where you'll have guys like 1B Hosmer; 3B Moustakas; C LuCroy; a number of OF; a number of SP and RP.
10. Pick early and often in the 2018 draft depending on how bad the 2017 turns out - make no mistake, it WILL be bad, just increments of bad.
11. Make 2018 the year you push to make a run back towards the top with intents of staying there. In 2018 you MIGHT be able to field a team of:
SS Albies
2B Swanson
CF Dahl
RF Frazier
3B McMahon
LF Brinson
1B Bradley
C Nunez
with other possibilities including OF M Smith, OF Peterson, OF Acuna, OF/1B Davidson, 3B Ruiz, 3B Riley etc.
with low minors guys like Maitan and the other latin guys and all the bats brought in from the 15, 16, 17 & 18 drafts
SP could be:
RHP Folty
RHP Wisler
RHP Blair
LHP Newcomb
RHP Sims
With guys like Allard, Touki, Jenkins, Fried, Soroka, Ellis, Sanchez, Gant, Whalen, Povse in the wings
You build your relief corps from guys like: Cervenka, Krol, Simmons, Withrow, Banuelos, Bird, Thurman, Hursch, Cabrera, etc.
You have a super young team and can afford to bring in pen help like a closer or a star SP as needed.
A. An example of this MIGHT be: Teheran and Inciarte to Colorado for Dahl, McMahon and C Dom Nunez; OR Teheran to Boston for OF Benintendi and 1B Sam Travis;
B. Maybe Freeman in a package to Cleveland for Frazier and Bradley, etc.
C. Markakis back to Baltimore (along with a little cash) for Trey Mancini
D. Viz and Grilli to Texas for Lewis Brinson.
2. Load up on as much draft position and cash for 2016 as you can (they seem to be already doing this).
3. Break the bank on International signings in 2016 (avoid Cubans and Asians who are seen as ready or near ready ML options since they are usually overvalued). Bring in as many Maitan, Guiterrez and Severino's as you can understanding that each is likely a minimum of 4 years away, probably 6.
4. Don't worry about the record for 2016. The team is proven it's bad. Incremental improvement is bad for the rebuild, not good at this point. Draft at the top of the board in 2017.
5. Break in Swanson and Albies (and any other near term acquisitions that you get from the trade mentioned above) in September call ups to give them a taste and see how they react.
6. 2016-2017 offseason focus on incremental FA help and targeted trades where you are taking short term salary back without having to give up high end talent. Save your money and flexibility for the 2017-2018 FA crop.
7. Play the young team in 2017. Sure, they won't all be ready and sure they won't be hugely better BUT 2017 is the year to start the infusion process. The few veterans you have like Flowers will be hugely important in helping the young guys.
8. Unless the new CBA changes the equation, international signings in 2017 will be limited.
9. Fill holes in the 2017-2018 FA signing period where you'll have guys like 1B Hosmer; 3B Moustakas; C LuCroy; a number of OF; a number of SP and RP.
10. Pick early and often in the 2018 draft depending on how bad the 2017 turns out - make no mistake, it WILL be bad, just increments of bad.
11. Make 2018 the year you push to make a run back towards the top with intents of staying there. In 2018 you MIGHT be able to field a team of:
SS Albies
2B Swanson
CF Dahl
RF Frazier
3B McMahon
LF Brinson
1B Bradley
C Nunez
with other possibilities including OF M Smith, OF Peterson, OF Acuna, OF/1B Davidson, 3B Ruiz, 3B Riley etc.
with low minors guys like Maitan and the other latin guys and all the bats brought in from the 15, 16, 17 & 18 drafts
SP could be:
RHP Folty
RHP Wisler
RHP Blair
LHP Newcomb
RHP Sims
With guys like Allard, Touki, Jenkins, Fried, Soroka, Ellis, Sanchez, Gant, Whalen, Povse in the wings
You build your relief corps from guys like: Cervenka, Krol, Simmons, Withrow, Banuelos, Bird, Thurman, Hursch, Cabrera, etc.
You have a super young team and can afford to bring in pen help like a closer or a star SP as needed.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I would consider moving Wisler for the right package. Some teams might prefer him to Julion. And imo his expected surplus value over remaining years of contractual control is now a bit higher than Julion. We would have to win that trade like any other. But he might be the most valuable chip we have on the major league roster.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
My understanding is that our international pool for next year will not be affected by us exceeding the pool this year. We pay a fine (tax) and we are restricted in how much we can pay individual prospects the next two years. I also believe those restrictions go away if we trade our international pool slots. So there is a case for trading it so that its full value can be realized by another team. We will have one of the biggest maybe the biggest international pool next year.
Some of these guys have actually been owners of fantasy league teams. That makes them experts.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Agree. Even if there is restriction on amounts available to sign players, advantage will be had in trading the slots as long as the rules don't change.
chipchildress
Awaiting a Promotion
preach it!
where would the spurs have been without getting that number one pick to be able to draft time duncan?
think the nats are glad they had number one to get harper?
i bet the braves look back and appreciate the opportunity to draft chipper jones, eh?
it's not often you can really be bad and it doesn't matter. this is the year for the braves. they suck. every knows it. their stadium is falling apart and nobody cares since they're leaving. nobody wants to go to games anyway, so whatever. your team stinks anyway, so of all years, if you try to win and move up four spots in the standings, what have you done besides given an old man 3 more wins a month than he would otherwise be seeing. all at the expense of drafting chipper jones.
trying to "go for it" now would be the dumbest possible thing they could possibly do.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
That's right. Or, 75 and, I don't know, 40? Honestly, I was bearish on the team and the roster and projected 100 losses, but this ninth-circle-of-hell ineptitude is beyond my wildest dreams.
What I find utterly mystifying is that the Twins can hang. I mean, we're 1899 Cleveland Spiders bad. Heretofore rational individuals are recommending we play Chase d'Arnaud at short to free us up to release Aybar. We broke camp with Jeff Francoeur and Drew Stubbs in our outfield. Many of our fans, searching in vain to feel better about this group that wouldn't compete in the Eastern League, started discussing the obvious wisdom of having Jhoulys Chacin and Bud Norris both in our rotation (you know who you are). We sounded like those three Wahoos in the right field bleachers in Major League, debating whether the Yanks home run was hit too high.
Jesus Christ! How can those ****ers be right with us? Can't we just have the first pick, just this once?
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
don't forget about the Reds.. they are starting a bit earlier than last year.. they have lost 10 in a row.