ENOUGH. Call up Swanson, trade for a hitter...
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bravescountry
Arizona Fall Leaguer
TBH, I'm not sure about 2018.. but definitely 2019 and dominant force as in like Cubs, cheap young players in all positions with veterans we can get (from big 2018 FA class).
In a situation we trade all three, we would get a massive return back for the three players. I'm just going to make a mock trade to the RS in which they would be receive all three prospects bc they can use some pitching help, 1B help, and bullpen help (always)...
We would in return receive a package in value to: Moncada(Freeman gets), Devers (Freeman gets), Benintendi(Teheran gets), Swihart(Teheran/Vizcaino gets) and Kopech (Freeman/Vizcaino gets)
...That trade won't happen but we could get that type of a haul (obviously in separate trade though bc nobody would trade that much talent) for the three players...and we draft an elite bat in the 2016 draft, the 2018/2019 roster could look like (with just the RS trade as a base):
1B Devers
2B Albies
3B Moncada
SS Swanson
C Swihart/Herbert/Morales
OF Benintendi, Lewis, Smith/Davidson/Acuna(?)/other
SP Newcomb/Sims/Wisler/Touki/Soroka/Fried/Sims/Ellis/Blair/others whoever doesn't bust...
That's a pretty explosive roster top to bottom and I would expect it to be a championship caliber team..
Like I said, if we do trade with the RS, we won't be getting their top 3 prospects and Swihart, but in terms of value, we could get that much back for Tehran, Vizcaino, and Freeman IMO and that would again IMO help us be contenders by 2018/2019.... I'm not the GM though, and alot can change and we can just see how the trade deadline plays out...
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Idk his, but my definition is winning the division and losing game 5 of the NLDS at home. The Braves Way.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think the range of possible outcomes is pretty wide for 2018 and beyond. Most likely we will be a team that wins 85-90 games per year over the 2018-2025 seasons. Some years will be on the low side and there might be one or two years we win over 90. We are not likely to be Cubs like over this period. But then the Cubs themselves are not going to sustain the pace we've seen so far this year.
And rightfully so. Thing is, I'm not sure who that could possibly be. Boston's not going to trade Betts or Bogaerts. The Dodgers aren't going to trade Seager, Houston's not going to trade Springer. Trevor Story might look pretty good at 3B, but I'm a little worried that his power won't translate away from Coors and I HATE the K rate. Still not interested in Soler or Baez personally. Would love to have either of Piscotty or Grichuk but can't see the Cards parting with either.
Really tough to see any match anywhere unless they're willing to take prospects, which is fine with me - I agree that the return needs to be HUGE if you're going to move him. Will say I think it's a bad idea to draw a line in the sand like that though. If you could get Bregman plus, Dahl plus, or Benintendi plus - guys that are really close to being ready - I think it's pretty shortsighted to eliminate that option.
I would assume that Coppy isn't actually going to ignore high level prospects if they were available. I feel like we've heard this from the FO (much like every other FO in sports) before where they say something along the lines of "we have no interest in trading Shelby" or "we think of Simmons as a vital part of our future" before dealing them. I'm sure we're obviously looking for an established ML hitter, but that's a non-starter because of course we are. The problem is that teams with those hitters aren't usually looking to part with them, as trading for Julio would open up a hole in their lineup.
The most likely scenario in my opinion is a trade where we get a lesser talent than Julio that is in the bigs, and a prospect that is the actual crown jewel of the deal.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I would hope that this is just GM speak. Prospects ARE just prospects and are full of uncertainty and risk. However, even guys who are ML stars are full of uncertainty and risk in the form of complacency, injury, devolution of skills, the drug policy, the domestic abuse policy, and on and on. When it comes to acquiring prospects you either trust your scouts or you don't and if you don't you should boot them and get some you can trust.
The thing is that this team isn't one bat away. It isn't three bats away. And it isn't a 2016 or 2017 competitive team no matter how much the Johns say that it is (they know it isn't). So, if you look at the veterans that you have in terms of current skill set, extrapolated future skill set, current cost, future cost, current value vs future value, etc., if a move presents itself that can make you a much better team in 2018 and beyond, then you have to do it.
Teheran - not a true ace but can be a very good pitcher; probably a solid long term number two; signed to a very good contract; no significant injury history; currently sits at the top of the pitching pyramid for the Braves, heading a big number of drafted, signed and acquired pitching; reasonable likelihood that he will remain as good, or nearly so, for the rest of his current contract unless injured; likely the BEST arm available under any circumstances over the next calendar year now that Stras is off the board. He should bring 2 maybe 3 young long term pieces that have a chance to be as good or better long term in terms of trade. He's the perfect win now/win later acquisition for a close contender.
Freeman - probably in the 8-10 range of 1B in baseball; not a franchise guy but a strong core piece; has some power and LH and plays a good, not great, defensive 1B; signed long term and in the middle currently of peak baseball age; reasonable contract that increases in expense but still a very good number for his production; probably the BEST bat available over the next calendar year and should bring 2-3 long term pieces in terms of trade. By the time the Braves have a realistic shot at competing again he will be in physical decline but he's the ideal guy for a team who is short a power, LH bat for the next 2-3 years.
Inciarte - excellent defensive outfielder who has positional flexibility; hits as a top of the order guy with a little power who will steal a few bases.
Viz - closer who's value is probably at a high point right now; will be expensive and older with less control when the Braves are good again, assuming he keeps up at current pace; unlikely to get huge save opportunities as a Braves because the team won't have many wins to save; some injury history and PED history.
IF you want to return to almost certain mediocrity, then you keep those guys and chicken scratch around each offseason for the Francouer's and the Johnson's to fill everyday spots. Mediocrity has less chance of failure than shooting for greatness.
IF you want a shot at greatness, then you try to add as many potentially great, young controllable pieces that you can and use the money you save by making a Freeman, Teheran, Viz or Inciarte trade to go FA shop to fill holes. It's not like any of those guys are generational talents. They're good players with good value that should be put to best use.
The thing is that this team isn't one bat away. It isn't three bats away. And it isn't a 2016 or 2017 competitive team no matter how much the Johns say that it is (they know it isn't). So, if you look at the veterans that you have in terms of current skill set, extrapolated future skill set, current cost, future cost, current value vs future value, etc., if a move presents itself that can make you a much better team in 2018 and beyond, then you have to do it.
Teheran - not a true ace but can be a very good pitcher; probably a solid long term number two; signed to a very good contract; no significant injury history; currently sits at the top of the pitching pyramid for the Braves, heading a big number of drafted, signed and acquired pitching; reasonable likelihood that he will remain as good, or nearly so, for the rest of his current contract unless injured; likely the BEST arm available under any circumstances over the next calendar year now that Stras is off the board. He should bring 2 maybe 3 young long term pieces that have a chance to be as good or better long term in terms of trade. He's the perfect win now/win later acquisition for a close contender.
Freeman - probably in the 8-10 range of 1B in baseball; not a franchise guy but a strong core piece; has some power and LH and plays a good, not great, defensive 1B; signed long term and in the middle currently of peak baseball age; reasonable contract that increases in expense but still a very good number for his production; probably the BEST bat available over the next calendar year and should bring 2-3 long term pieces in terms of trade. By the time the Braves have a realistic shot at competing again he will be in physical decline but he's the ideal guy for a team who is short a power, LH bat for the next 2-3 years.
Inciarte - excellent defensive outfielder who has positional flexibility; hits as a top of the order guy with a little power who will steal a few bases.
Viz - closer who's value is probably at a high point right now; will be expensive and older with less control when the Braves are good again, assuming he keeps up at current pace; unlikely to get huge save opportunities as a Braves because the team won't have many wins to save; some injury history and PED history.
IF you want to return to almost certain mediocrity, then you keep those guys and chicken scratch around each offseason for the Francouer's and the Johnson's to fill everyday spots. Mediocrity has less chance of failure than shooting for greatness.
IF you want a shot at greatness, then you try to add as many potentially great, young controllable pieces that you can and use the money you save by making a Freeman, Teheran, Viz or Inciarte trade to go FA shop to fill holes. It's not like any of those guys are generational talents. They're good players with good value that should be put to best use.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
I reckon we are 3 bats away, solid power bats at one corner OF spot, 3b and C would help this team's future fortunes a lot. Hell, I woul take a run at cespedes next year if they move Markakis this summer. We have plenty of $$$ to pay him and he would fill a major need at RF.
rico43
<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
Eureka! An ephiany! Acquire Cespedes and Puig, bring Garcia and Olivera back and have Fredi throw out the 2017 first pitch at the newly renamed Fidel Field. But then again, maybe I should stay off the good stuff on slow days.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
what's wrong with Cespedes? Puig, I get, he's had attitude issues (tho I would still take him) Cespedes has been both lights out and off the field issue free as far as I can remember,
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
hope this is true and is what i have been saying