ENOUGH. Call up Swanson, trade for a hitter...

Let's just hope the FO isn't as emotionally irrational as the OP.

I am also a moderator on this board, and I was tired of reading only negative comments in the daily posts. I bet myself I could shake up this board and, by golly, I think I can check that box.

It's true about my dad, but I agree it has nothing to do with the process other than some folks see it a different way. I thanked a couple of folks who generated strong, detailed posts without calling names or questioning sanity.
If I weren't being so sneaky, I'd take offense at being called irrational.

I do think Swanson is ready. But I see the point in those of you who say that it doesn't matter.
 
I am also a moderator on this board, and I was tired of reading only negative comments in the daily posts. I bet myself I could shake up this board and, by golly, I think I can check that box.

It's true about my dad, but I agree it has nothing to do with the process other than some folks see it a different way. I thanked a couple of folks who generated strong, detailed posts without calling names or questioning sanity.

If I weren't being so sneaky, I'd take offense at being called irrational.

I do think Swanson is ready. But I see the point in those of you who say that it doesn't matter.

I knew you were jacking us around. It was too far out of character. Very amusing; fun thread.
 
Julio's a guy you build around, not trade.

And i'd prefer not to waste Swanson's clock just yet, maybe in September.

And count me in as one wanting the #1 pick.
 
"Dave Winfield=Jason Heyward- BRule."

you are right Heyward has been worth nearly half of Winfield's long career in only 6 1/4 seasons! he's tracking to be better than Winfield!
 
That's right. Or, 75 and, I don't know, 40? Honestly, I was bearish on the team and the roster and projected 100 losses, but this ninth-circle-of-hell ineptitude is beyond my wildest dreams.

What I find utterly mystifying is that the Twins can hang. I mean, we're 1899 Cleveland Spiders bad. Heretofore rational individuals are recommending we play Chase d'Arnaud at short to free us up to release Aybar. We broke camp with Jeff Francoeur and Drew Stubbs in our outfield. Many of our fans, searching in vain to feel better about this group that wouldn't compete in the Eastern League, started discussing the obvious wisdom of having Jhoulys Chacin and Bud Norris both in our rotation (you know who you are). We sounded like those three Wahoos in the right field bleachers in Major League, debating whether the Yanks home run was hit too high.

Jesus Christ! How can those ****ers be right with us? Can't we just have the first pick, just this once?

Right with ya - except for the obvious one.

FWIW, I'm only in favor of Chase at SS for a couple weeks to get Aybar and his *itty attitude away from the clubhouse until it's prudent to start Swanson's clock!!! LOL
 
Oh yeah, I absolutely agree that the team probably won't be awful next year and that we should start looking to build on it. I'm even in favor of trading Teheran if it brings us back a Benintendi or Bregman. I'm just not in favor of spending prospects to get Jay "-1.2 WAR since 2013" Bruce or starting Swanson's service clock early in the name of sucking a little less this season. When your reasoning includes propositions like "Casey Kelly is ready for prime time" and "Chase D'arnaud is our 3B of the future," you're probably not making decisions from a rational place.

It has to be a knee-jerk type reaction, Rico has seemed quick to turn for or against certain players at times lately (maybe just due to frustration, if so that is understandable). His statement about Blair for example seems to imply that we know what we have there. With all due respect to Rico we don't know what we have there yet, not even close, nor with anyone else in the rotation outside of Teheran. However, Wisler has been consistent enough to make an argument for this year, but even that is still a SSS and isn't telling enough in terms of long term. He could still end up better or even quite worse than he's doing now.
 
I am also a moderator on this board, and I was tired of reading only negative comments in the daily posts. I bet myself I could shake up this board and, by golly, I think I can check that box.

It's true about my dad, but I agree it has nothing to do with the process other than some folks see it a different way. I thanked a couple of folks who generated strong, detailed posts without calling names or questioning sanity.
If I weren't being so sneaky, I'd take offense at being called irrational.

I do think Swanson is ready. But I see the point in those of you who say that it doesn't matter.

So outside of the Swanson bit you were "being so sneaky" and not sharing your own view and just seeing if you could "shake up this board"?

FWIW, I do understand your reasoning as far as hoping your Dad gets to see a winner again. Hopefully that will happen. I am not ready to give up on 2017 like some others, though some moves by the FO have hurt our chances in 2017 IMO. And it concerns me that more moves are coming that may or may not help in 2018-20 but will hurt our chances further next year.
 
BTW, I am fine with giving Chase d'Arnaud a shot at short at some point if he keeps hitting enough. He has been good defensively at multiple positions (second, third and RF) so if he can be serviceable at short and continue to hit well off the bench we should consider him as back-up shortstop bench piece for next year who can also fill in at second, third and OF corners. It all depends on his bat, obviously he's not this good but he also may be better than his past years which were also SSS in the Majors. The question for me comes down to can he play at least average at short and maintain enough with the bat to be useful. I like his speed for pinch running and he has did well pinch hitting too, so all this considered he may have value off the bench if nothing else.
 
No one, not even the biggest cynics on this board, thought the Braves would SUCK as badly as they have in the first two months of the season. Fredi is gone; that is one part of the master plan that has fallen into place so far.

But with mind-numbing events like Garcia's defense, Olivera's entire year, Aybar's defense and dining mishaps, Winkler's elbow (still makes me cringe), Inciarte's game two injury, this team is spiraling downward into what might be a 100-loss season or worse.

Enough. Is. Enough. I have an 86-year-old father who watches the Braves every night, and he doesn't want to hear about 2-3 years down the road. There is rebuilding, and there is mutally assured destruction. Every time the Marlins tore down their team, they loaded their system with good young players and PLAYED THEM. We seem to want to acquire as many prospects as we can and no one wants to start the "clock ticking."

We need to start sorthing things about. Granted, we've already found Blair wanting, Gant rushed, but Perez, Kelly, Folty ready for prime time. We've found a third baseman, but reasons beyond my understanding have led to them playing d'Arnaud only occasionally. Frenchy's comeback has been all we hoped.

I want these things, and soon: Trade Teheran for the best hitter available; no more prospects, unless it's Andrew Benintendi. Trade Viz if and only if the return is there.

Bring up Swanson. Put him at shortstop. Leave him there. He's old enough and a savvy enough to deal with the ups and downs. Whatever needs to be done with Aybar, do it.

The player I wanted to target is Puig, but I will be honest if not politically correct: I have major reservations after Olivera and Garcia. Now, the person I want to target is Jay Bruce.

Time to quit being the National League's b***h.

First of all, there is no guarantee Swanson will be the next franchise player... or even a good MLB player... prospects that have looked thousands of times better than him have failed miserably at the MLB level. If he came up right now, you'd be rushing him and it may hurt his development... sorry. We've found a 3rd baseman in d'Arnaud? Really? Dude is 29 years old, has no power, and you're saying "we've found a third baseman" based on ~45 at bats at the MLB level. Let's just ignore that he's never been considered much of a prospect or that he has 3000 minor league at-bats with around a .700 OPS. Come on, you are wiser than that. Kelly and Folty are ready for prime time? We haven't even seen what Kelly can do at the MLB level beyond a 3-5 inning stretch here or there. He's been decent but far from prime time. Folty has looked much better but let's see him sustain the success before crowning him the next big thing... he still walks way too many and still gives up too many homeruns. You really want to trade our best starter who's under control on a cheap deal for a while still? Frenchy's performance has only been okay... he's only a platoon player and doesn't have any power... a decent bench piece but you're really giving some of these players way too much credit. Jay Bruce is mediocre... he's having a good year, but it doesn't match up with the last few.

Sorry... I like your posts, but no...
 
I am also a moderator on this board, and I was tired of reading only negative comments in the daily posts. I bet myself I could shake up this board and, by golly, I think I can check that box.

It's true about my dad, but I agree it has nothing to do with the process other than some folks see it a different way. I thanked a couple of folks who generated strong, detailed posts without calling names or questioning sanity.
If I weren't being so sneaky, I'd take offense at being called irrational.

I do think Swanson is ready. But I see the point in those of you who say that it doesn't matter.

okay okay... well played... pot stirred
 
It has to be a knee-jerk type reaction, Rico has seemed quick to turn for or against certain players at times lately (maybe just due to frustration, if so that is understandable). His statement about Blair for example seems to imply that we know what we have there. With all due respect to Rico we don't know what we have there yet, not even close, nor with anyone else in the rotation outside of Teheran. However, Wisler has been consistent enough to make an argument for this year, but even that is still a SSS and isn't telling enough in terms of long term. He could still end up better or even quite worse than he's doing now.

I was just paraphrasing what the FO said when he was sent back down. Of course, I hear he's back for Saturday, sop we'll see!
 
First of all, there is no guarantee Swanson will be the next franchise player... or even a good MLB player... prospects that have looked thousands of times better than him have failed miserably at the MLB level. If he came up right now, you'd be rushing him and it may hurt his development... sorry. We've found a 3rd baseman in d'Arnaud? Really? Dude is 29 years old, has no power, and you're saying "we've found a third baseman" based on ~45 at bats at the MLB level. Let's just ignore that he's never been considered much of a prospect or that he has 3000 minor league at-bats with around a .700 OPS. Come on, you are wiser than that. Kelly and Folty are ready for prime time? We haven't even seen what Kelly can do at the MLB level beyond a 3-5 inning stretch here or there. He's been decent but far from prime time. Folty has looked much better but let's see him sustain the success before crowning him the next big thing... he still walks way too many and still gives up too many homeruns. You really want to trade our best starter who's under control on a cheap deal for a while still? Frenchy's performance has only been okay... he's only a platoon player and doesn't have any power... a decent bench piece but you're really giving some of these players way too much credit. Jay Bruce is mediocre... he's having a good year, but it doesn't match up with the last few.

Sorry... I like your posts, but no...

When I said "found" a third baseman, I was merely pointing out we finally had someone there who could play DEFENSE at the position, instead of the train wreck that was Adonis. No one else had show much aplomb there, either. Your definition of "found" is clearly much larger than mine. To paraphrase William Hurt in Body Heat, I'm just trying to make it through tonight.
 
So outside of the Swanson bit you were "being so sneaky" and not sharing your own view and just seeing if you could "shake up this board"?

FWIW, I do understand your reasoning as far as hoping your Dad gets to see a winner again. Hopefully that will happen. I am not ready to give up on 2017 like some others, though some moves by the FO have hurt our chances in 2017 IMO. And it concerns me that more moves are coming that may or may not help in 2018-20 but will hurt our chances further next year.

Sometimes you just need a broad brush to make a fine point.
 
How about this..
Trade Teheran for an elite OF and lower prospect
Trade Vizcaino for a good package of prospects
Trade Freeman for a 1B prospect, an elite OF prospect, and another solid bat

Don't bring up Swanson or Albies till September..
We will suck ass for 2016, but you can tell your father we will be better (hopefully unless growing pains of all rookies) and we can be a dominant force comes 2018- just wait, patience is virtue.
 
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