Eric Garner doesn't get justice

sturg33 said:
I see. So you're wrong to resist arrest if you're guilty. You're even more wrong to resist if your innocent. Basically, you think the cops should be able to arrest whoever the **** they want without any resistance.
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No, don't put words in my mouth. Never said you were wrong if you are resisting arrest if you are innocent. I just don't understand why you would do that even more. You are going to potentially be in line for a lawsuit if it was unjust.
 
Hawk said:
This guy barely resisted. The police were intimidated by his size and overreacted.

He was selling ****ing single cigarettes.

Stuff like this really pisses me off.
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I didn't follow this case that closely, but I just about fell out of my chair when I found out what they were trying to arrest him for. Selling cigarettes? Is it illegal to give a cigarette to a minor in NYC? Just asking. Hey, I'm all down with public health but it doesn't surprise me that someone actually got killed in the overweening nanny state constructed by Michael Bloomberg for something this inconsequential.

Don't get too excited sturg33, I'm not joining the libertarians quite yet, but this is pretty ridiculous all the way around: from the offense which elicited the cops' behavior to the cops' behavior itself.
 
Metaphysicist said:
Yes you did. Own your statements and do some serious soul-searching because you sound completely heartless in this thread. It is repugnant.
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Nope, blaming someone for this and saying he could have made a different decision to avoid it are two different things.
 
Metaphysicist said:
What did he do that "resisted arrest"? He is agitated that the cops are harassing him (whether they had cause or not is irrelevant) and asks them to leave him alone. Then they jump him and he freaks out for like a couple seconds. Then he very obviously stops resisting and begs them to let him breathe. And the cops kill him while he is laying there begging.

If your reaction to that is "people shouldn't resist arrest" then I hope you die in a fire.
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Him being tired of cops harassing him for committing crimes doesn't justify his actions. As I've said, the cops went too far, but people can avoid these situations by cooperating.
 
gilesfan said:
Him being tired of cops harassing him for committing crimes doesn't justify his actions. As I've said, the cops went too far, but people can avoid these situations by cooperating.
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YOU ARE JUSTIFYING THE COPS ACTIONS!!
 
gilesfan said:
Him being tired of cops harassing him for committing crimes doesn't justify his actions. As I've said, the cops went too far, but people can avoid these situations by cooperating.
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Will be interesting to see the GJ testimony on this one. I'm guessing just like in Ferguson the prosecutor was acting like a defense attorney.
 
Tomahawking4life said:
Is that statement he made false?
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Yes, because cooperating or not, you shouldn't be killed. You're justifying overreaction by saying it could have been avoided if he just submitted. I thought this was America, the land of the free, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, etc.
 
thethe said:
So should I infer you are ok with the victim resisting arrest if he committed a crime?
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I know you're addressing someone else, but let me jump in for a sec.

I'm not ok with it. Resisting arrest is generally dumb and dangerous for everyone involved. Obviously, context and circumstances matter, but I feel comfortable making that blanket statement.

I'm disappointed that two threads appear to have turned into discussions about resisting arrest. This is what I'm reading:

"[sotto voce] I think the officer should have been indicted.

BUT HOW ABOUT THAT RESISTING ARREST, HUH? WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW ALL OF THESE DEAD GUYS WERE RESISTING ARREST?"

It's missing the point, and these posts fall either just shy or well into the territory of blaming the victim. It's a tanget. Worth addressing, sure, but far from the largest issue here. There are a lot of huge societal and constitutional issues here that are more relevant.
 
Julio3000 said:
I know you're addressing someone else, but let me jump in for a sec.

I'm not ok with it. Resisting arrest is generally dumb and dangerous for everyone involved. Obviously, context and circumstances matter, but I feel comfortable making that blanket statement.

I'm disappointed that two threads appear to have turned into discussions about resisting arrest. This is what I'm reading:

"[sotto voce] I think the officer should have been indicted.

BUT HOW ABOUT THAT RESISTING ARREST, HUH? WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW ALL OF THESE DEAD GUYS WERE RESISTING ARREST?"

It's missing the point, and these posts fall either just shy or well into the territory of blaming the victim. It's a tanget. Worth addressing, sure, but far from the largest issue here. There are a lot of huge societal and constitutional issues here that are more relevant.
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Get your point but at the same time if these two guys (who were committing crimes) had just complied with the officers request, They'd still be alive. The resisting does play a factor. The reason these two guys are dead is because when an officer confronted them, they didn't want to comply. I don't think you can throw the 'resisting' part to the side and act like it doesn't matter.
 
Krgrecw said:
Get your point but at the same time if these two guys (who were committing crimes) had just complied with the officers request, They'd still be alive. The resisting does play a factor. The reason these two guys are dead is because when an officer confronted them, they didn't want to comply. I don't think you can throw the 'resisting' part to the side and act like it doesn't matter.
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No the reason they're dead is cause they killed by cops. Resisting arrest or not. Plenty of people resist arrest every year and get killed. THey didn't have weapons and werne't immediate threats.
 
Krgrecw said:
Get your point but at the same time if these two guys (who were committing crimes) had just complied with the officers request, They'd still be alive. The resisting does play a factor. The reason these two guys are dead is because when an officer confronted them, they didn't want to comply. I don't think you can throw the 'resisting' part to the side and act like it doesn't matter.
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There is is again... It's not the cop's fault
 
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