Ferguson....

BedellBrave said:
"Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson’s account, but none of them have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety, The Washington Post’s sources said."

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"7 or 8"

Also, maybe this is just the "liberal media"

Oh wait
 
Krgrecw said:
Yeah, Thethe. Don't argue facts and science with Zito. The 'eyewitnesses' are more important than what really happened.

these are the same eyewitnesses who said that Brown was walking away when he was shot, which Zito has alluded to, but the science begs to differ.
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See what I'm talking about with people not reading ****? So pathetic. And even at that, Science only tells what transpired when certain things happened, not the events prior, or anything else involving the case.
 
Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco who reviewed the autopsy for the Post-Dispatch, told the paper that one of the officer’s shots hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was shot outside the officer’s car, she said.

The autopsy found material “consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm” in a wound on Brown’s thumb. Melinek said this “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.”

Melinek said the autopsy did not support those who claim Brown was attempting to flee or surrender.

She said Brown was facing Wilson when Brown took a shot to the forehead, two shots to the chest and a shot to the upper right arm. The wound to the top of Brown’s head would indicate he was falling forward or in a lunging position toward the shooter; the shot was instantly fatal. A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said.”
 
goldfly said:
"7 or 8"

Also, maybe this is just the "liberal media"

Oh wait
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Eyewitness accounts vary. Johnson, 22, said Wilson grabbed Brown and tried to pull him into the vehicle. Then later, when Brown tried to run, Wilson allegedly chased him, shot him once before he turned around and then shot and killed him while his hands were raised. Others have said Wilson shot at Brown as he fled. Some said Brown stood still. Some said his hands were in the air; some said they were not.
 
“I hope I’m wrong, but I have a feeling that prosecutors are getting ready to drop the hammer on us,” attorney Eric Guster wrote on the Root. “They want us to be ready for what every tear-gassed, unlawfully arrested, shot at, beaten, harassed, billy-clubbed protester doesn’t want to hear: Wilson probably won’t be charged in the killing of Michael Brown.”
 
gilesfan said:
Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco who reviewed the autopsy for the Post-Dispatch, told the paper that one of the officer’s shots hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was shot outside the officer’s car, she said.

The autopsy found material “consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm” in a wound on Brown’s thumb. Melinek said this “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.”

Melinek said the autopsy did not support those who claim Brown was attempting to flee or surrender.

She said Brown was facing Wilson when Brown took a shot to the forehead, two shots to the chest and a shot to the upper right arm. The wound to the top of Brown’s head would indicate he was falling forward or in a lunging position toward the shooter; the shot was instantly fatal. A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said.”
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Zito doesn't want to acknowledge that.

I shutter to see what the repsonse is going to be when Wilson is exonerated. Guy is going to have to relocate his whole family and the rioting it probably going to start up again.
 
thethe said:
Zito doesn't want to acknowledge that.

I shutter to see what the repsonse is going to be when Wilson is exonerated. Guy is going to have to relocate his whole family and the rioting it probably going to start up again.
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Nothing in that report has disproved anything I've put as my point of contention. His hand being near the gun doesn't tell a story just that his hand was near the gun. The Pathologist is probably right, he probably reached for his gun, but if he reached for his gun in self defense it's different than if he reached for it to do harm to the officer. And unless it's found that all of the officers shots connected, he still could have fired at Wilson while he was running away unarmed, which I don't know about Missouri, but it's against most other state's protocols for deadly force.
 
zitothebrave said:
Nothing in that report has disproved anything I've put as my point of contention. His hand being near the gun doesn't tell a story just that his hand was near the gun. The Pathologist is probably right, he probably reached for his gun, but if he reached for his gun in self defense it's different than if he reached for it to do harm to the officer. And unless it's found that all of the officers shots connected, he still could have fired at Wilson while he was running away unarmed, which I don't know about Missouri, but it's against most other state's protocols for deadly force.
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So you are going to ignore the actual evidence we have and just speculate on things which will never be able to be proven in a court of law? This game could go on forever regardless of how much new information is coming out. Its clear that you just want to continue to believe that this officer did something illegal. No amount of evidence is going to change that in your mind.
 
thethe said:
So you are going to ignore the actual evidence we have and just speculate on things which will never be able to be proven in a court of law? This game could go on forever regardless of how much new information is coming out. Its clear that you just want to continue to believe that this officer did something illegal. No amount of evidence is going to change that in your mind.
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Nothing about this case will ever be able to be proven in a court of law except for Brown was shot what 6 times, one close, and that's it. I suspected Wilson would get off since the get go because we don't have enough evidence otherwise and it takes a rock solid case to convict a cop of murder. There would have had to have been bullets in his back. I don't think Wilson is a monster based on what I've seen, I think he acted foolishly and what he did should be a cautionary tale to police everywhere.
 
gilesfan said:
Reaching for the officers gun in self defense.....lol.
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Cop starts to pull his gun out you reach for it to stop him from shooting you in the face, doesn't take much imagination to see self defense as a plausible option in reality. Is it the only option, no. But again cause Brown was killed, we don't know what happened in the cop car so all scenarios are in play at this point unless some evidence on the contrary comes out.
 
thethe said:
It really is LOL worthy. Again, he is just reaching for anything because he knows based on the evidence out right now that the officer was in the right.
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The only evidence out there is the entrance wounds to the kid. Everything else is a piece of evidence. Even those entrance wounds are just pieces of evidence. With the facts out there I could easily paint WIlson to be a saint, or a killer and you couldn't disprove me either way.
 
zitothebrave said:
Nothing about this case will ever be able to be proven in a court of law except for Brown was shot what 6 times, one close, and that's it. I suspected Wilson would get off since the get go because we don't have enough evidence otherwise and it takes a rock solid case to convict a cop of murder. There would have had to have been bullets in his back. I don't think Wilson is a monster based on what I've seen, I think he acted foolishly and what he did should be a cautionary tale to police everywhere.
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Wilson is going to get off because every piece of evidence that can be relied on has proved he did nothing to implicate him being a rogue cop as some have tried to describe him as.

Using eyewitness testimony of a racially charged community that despises cops as your primary leg to stand your argument on is really silly and honestly a little surprising as I consider you to be an intelligent person.
 
zitothebrave said:
Cop starts to pull his gun out you reach for it to stop him from shooting you in the face, doesn't take much imagination to see self defense as a plausible option in reality. Is it the only option, no. But again cause Brown was killed, we don't know what happened in the cop car so all scenarios are in play at this point unless some evidence on the contrary comes out.
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Wilson reaching for his gun initially was in self defense because a monstrous man was kicking the **** out of him. ANyone in his place would have done the same.
 
thethe said:
Wilson is going to get off because every piece of evidence that can be relied on has proved he did nothing to implicate him being a rogue cop as some have tried to describe him as.

Using eyewitness testimony of a racially charged community that despises cops as your primary leg to stand your argument on is really silly and honestly a little surprising as I consider you to be an intelligent person.
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And throwing out those witness reports cause of your bias is just that. What about the white contractors who said the same thing on video after the incident, were they racially charged and bias? Eyewitness reports are notoriously sketchy, but they're all the fill in evidence we have aside from the person who pulled the triggers report which is also notoriously sketchy. Without a camera on the scene we don't really know what happened.
 
thethe said:
Wilson reaching for his gun initially was in self defense because a monstrous man was kicking the **** out of him. ANyone in his place would have done the same.
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Or maybe after shooting the kid he took his gun and knocked himself in the face knowing it would help him keep his job. Not saying it happened, but we don't know what did happen. there's tons of plausible ends that could benefit either side of the case. That's why WIlson will get off is reasonable doubt.
 
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