Ferguson....

Tomahawking4life said:
Lol Z, you are trying too hard to defend something that is not defendable.
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Or you know, I"m pointing out that lots of **** could have happened. You don't know and a wide variety of witness testimonies speak to several issues in making a case. You're so quick to defend Wilson despite seeming inconsistencies in his own testimony.
 
All you need to see is the security video of Michael Brown pushing the old man at the convenience store. It's pretty clear what kind of person he was and his state of mind. He was a bully out bullying.
 
Runnin said:
All you need to see is the security video of Michael Brown pushing the old man at the convenience store. It's pretty clear what kind of person he was and his state of mind. He was a bully out bullying.
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Hey. Don't use common sense in this thread. It is not allowed. Next thing you're going to say is that we should use the scientific evidence collected and only the proven facts to judge the case.
 
When I was in high school, the outgoing county sheriff had his replacement assassinated. Don't give me this claptrap about cops would never shoot someone unless they super-duper-extra-guaranteed had to; cops are people. There are good ones, and there are bad ones.
 
good people and bad people in every profession. Every job has people that make the whole profession look bad. But the treatment towards cops as a 'whole' is a joke.

You cant tell me not to judge all blacks as bad, because of a handful of apples, then open your mouth and tell me how crooked cops are.

I've never or no one I'm friends with have ever had a problem with cops. We've been stopped and questioned. I guess we're not dicks to cops like some people on here must be
 
zitothebrave said:
So what definitive evidence si there that his hands weren't up?

You want to see that summary of what all the witnesses said? Where a lot more witnesses testified that his hands were up than that they weren't?
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Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was face-down on the ground when Officer Darren Wilson "finished him off." Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy or admitted that they did not see the shooting at all.

An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong. For one, the autopsies ultimately showed Brown was not struck by any bullets in his back.

Their inconsistencies began almost immediately after the shooting, from people in the neighborhood, the friend walking with Brown during the encounter and even one woman who authorities suggested probably wasn't even at the scene at the time.

One woman, who said she was smoking a cigarette with a friend nearby, claimed she saw a second police officer in the passenger seat of Wilson's vehicle. When quizzed by a prosecutor, she elaborated: The officer was white, "middle age or young" and in uniform. She said she was positive there was a second officer — even though there was not.

Another woman testified that she saw Brown leaning through the officer's window "from his navel up," with his hand moving up and down, as if he were punching the officer. But when the same witness returned to testify again on another day, she said she suffers from mental disorder, has racist views and that she has trouble distinguishing the truth from things she had read online.

Another witness had told the FBI that Wilson shot Brown in the back and then "stood over him and finished him off." But in his grand jury testimony, this witness acknowledged that he had not seen that part of the shooting, and that what he told the FBI was "based on me being where I'm from, and that can be the only assumption that I have."

Another man, describing himself as a friend of Brown's, told a federal investigator that he heard the first gunshot, looked out his window and saw an officer with a gun drawn and Brown "on his knees with his hands in the air." He added: "I seen him shoot him in the head."
 
So this ended up matching up exactly with Wilson's version (and witness 10)


WITNESS (6:20 – 6:26): – all I seen was the police in that truck right there. Dudes – I don’t know what happened [inaudible] –

QUESTIONER (6:26): So whose hat is that right there?

WITNESS (6:27 – 6:29): That’s his hat, I don’t know what happened –

QUESTIONER (6:29 – 6:30): How’d he get from there to here?

WITNESS (6:30 – 6:33): ‘Cause he ran. The police was still in the truck.

QUESTIONER (6:33): They came this way?

WITNESS (6:34 – 6:40): Naw, he was right there, the police was still in the truck. He’s like, I don’t know, he was kinda pushing with his hands [inaudible] he was in that truck.

QUESTIONER (6:38 – 6:40, crosstalk with last part of above): Running this way →? Why his body come this way ←though?

WITNESS (6:41 – 6:47): Him and the police, yeah him and the police, I mean the police was in the truck. He was like over the truck right, now.

WITNESS (6:47 – 6:51): But [“cause”] then he ran. Police got out and ran after him [inaudible].

WITNESS (6:51 – 6:55): Then the next thing I know, he coming back towards the police. The police had his gun drawn already.

QUESTIONER (6:56 – 6:57): Oh, the police dropped the son?

WITNESS (6:57 – 7:05): Yeah the police shot him. The police kept dumping him, and I’m thinking that the police missing like, he’s like, police was like this far from him.

WITNESS (7:06 – 7:12): And I’m thinking [inaudible], at least, at least 5 shots. Next thing I know, I think he’s missing.

QUESTIONER (7:12 – 7:14): The police shoot the dude?

WITNESS (7:14 – 7:17): The police shot him. Next thing I know, I think he’s missing.

WITNESS (7:18 – 7:21): He, then dude started running, kept coming toward the police.

QUESTIONER (8:17 – 8:26): Because I’m tellin’ you, I heard like, I heard like 8 shots. It was like 4, and then it was like 4 more. It was like pop pop pop pop pop, and just stopped for a minute, pop pop pop.

WITNESS (8:27 -8:32): police officer, how many times you heard that? The police was like, at least 10 yards away from him shooting –

WITNESS (8:32 – 8:40): – and I’m thinking that – the dude was still standing – I’m thinking that he was missing him. Then he kept coming towards him [inaudible].

WITNESS (8:40 – 8:51): – he broke off running. Because I’m telling [inaudible] his partner ran through. His partner ran through here man, it looked to me [inaudible] that way.
 
We avoid it by people not commiting crimes.

Wilson got a big payday, he'll be fine.

I wouldn't say Wilson got off. He was justified In his actions. If Brown were white or Wilson black it would have never even gone to the grand jury.
 
Krgrecw said:
We avoid it by people not commiting crimes.

Wilson got a big payday, he'll be fine.

I wouldn't say Wilson got off. He was justified In his actions. If Brown were white or Wilson black it would have never even gone to the grand jury.
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Truth.
 
Charles Barkley chimed in:

"The real story came out from the grand jury testimony," Barkley said, adding that he was made aware of "key forensic evidence, and several black witnesses that supported Officer Darren Wilson’s story..." He continued, "I can’t believe anything I hear on television anymore. And, that’s why I don’t like talking about race issues with the media anymore, because they (the media) love this stuff, and lead people to jump to conclusions. The media shouldn’t do that. They never do that when black people kill each other. "

He also called those who rioted after the decision was announced "scumbags," and said "There is no excuse for people to be out there burning down people's businesses, burning down police cars."

And in a marked departure from other prominent black leaders who have questioned tactics used by officers and, in some cases, accused officers of racial profiling and outright racism, Barkley supported police officers, especially those who work in black neighborhoods.

“[W]e have to be really careful with the cops, because if it wasn’t for the cops we would be living in the Wild, Wild West in our neighborhoods," he said. "We can’t pick out certain incidentals that don’t go our way and act like the cops are all bad.... Do you know how bad some of these neighborhoods would be if it wasn't for the cops?”

His comments are in sharp contrast with those made by other black leaders on the Ferguson case. Rev. Al Sharpton and civil rights activist Jesse Jackson have both criticized the Ferguson decision and racial profiling by police. President Obama is scheduled to hold meetings with civil rights groups Monday on law enforcement and how to rebuild trust in black communities.
 
Charles Barkley is a "black leader" ?

How did I know that Sharpton and Jackson's names would be brought up == y'all so predictable.
What happened to Cosby ? Forget him ?
 
Barkley as usual is 100% accurate. Problem is liberals don't want to tackle the tough issues.
 
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