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Hogwash!!! They're scientists, what do they know?
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Hogwash!!! They're scientists, what do they know?
57Brave
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Hey progress rather than perfection. Right ?
The article says isn't "good news" but I see progress as --- progress
http://www.eclectablog.com/2017/03/...more-years-of-water-filter-use-for-flint.html
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As a reminder, water filters do not work with hot water so bathing and showering will continue to be a monumental task for the people of Flint unless they are willing to risk exposure to lead
The article says isn't "good news" but I see progress as --- progress
http://www.eclectablog.com/2017/03/...more-years-of-water-filter-use-for-flint.html
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As a reminder, water filters do not work with hot water so bathing and showering will continue to be a monumental task for the people of Flint unless they are willing to risk exposure to lead
57Brave
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Flint residents are headed in to the third autumn drinking bottled water and bathing babies quickly and still righteously rail against the governor ignoring their complaints, which ranged from water color to it possibly causing rashes and other problems. Genesee County also has seen at least 88 cases of Legionnaires', 61 of them in people exposed to Flint water.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/col...-table-michigans-probe-flint-crisis/89253672/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/col...-table-michigans-probe-flint-crisis/89253672/
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
The received 27 mil and the Democratic counsel that overseen it. What did they do with the money? Hmmmmmm?
Aa, flint is proof that blacks that make something of thier lives (council, prez, etc) even hate and want nothing to do with inner cities. They'll come around when they want votes but they really don't care about them.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Its okay, 57 is a racist that wants black under his foot so if they can make money off of what the government give them, it is okay by him. That is why I can't stand that motherfu*cker. If I saw him in real life I would spit a loogy in his face and that is not assault and if he did try, I would get the ACLU involved and I will say he offended my race which he does constantly with his paternalism.
I send his post to my folks, my cousins and they all agreed with me, he is a sorry piece of sh*t closet racist. No wonder he hates it when I post as a black man. I speak the real truth, not that Democrat Liberal version of their truth, or I should say their "talking" points.
57Brave
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Bought bottled water and began re engineering the pipes.
One of the articles posted says as much
57Brave
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...entially-unsafe-drinking-water-in-past-decade
The findings highlight how six decades of industrial dumping, farming pollution, and water plant and distribution pipe deterioration have taken a toll on local water systems. Those found to have problems cleaning their water typically took more than two years to fix these issues, with some only recently resolving decades-old violations of EPA standards and others still delivering tainted water, according to data from the agency’s Safe Drinking Water Information System.
Many local water treatment plants, especially those in small, poor and minority communities, can’t afford the equipment necessary to filter out contaminants. Those can include arsenic found naturally in rock, chemicals from factories and nitrates and fecal matter from farming. In addition, much of the country’s aging distribution pipes delivering the water to millions of people are susceptible to lead contamination, leaks, breaks and bacterial growth. [...]
“We’re in this really stupid situation where, because of neglect of the infrastructure, we’re spending our scarce resources on putting our fingers in the dike, if you will, taking care of these emergencies, but we’re not doing anything to think about the future in terms of what we should be doing,” said Jeffrey Griffiths, a former member of the Drinking Water Committee at the EPA’s Science Advisory Board.
The findings highlight how six decades of industrial dumping, farming pollution, and water plant and distribution pipe deterioration have taken a toll on local water systems. Those found to have problems cleaning their water typically took more than two years to fix these issues, with some only recently resolving decades-old violations of EPA standards and others still delivering tainted water, according to data from the agency’s Safe Drinking Water Information System.
Many local water treatment plants, especially those in small, poor and minority communities, can’t afford the equipment necessary to filter out contaminants. Those can include arsenic found naturally in rock, chemicals from factories and nitrates and fecal matter from farming. In addition, much of the country’s aging distribution pipes delivering the water to millions of people are susceptible to lead contamination, leaks, breaks and bacterial growth. [...]
“We’re in this really stupid situation where, because of neglect of the infrastructure, we’re spending our scarce resources on putting our fingers in the dike, if you will, taking care of these emergencies, but we’re not doing anything to think about the future in terms of what we should be doing,” said Jeffrey Griffiths, a former member of the Drinking Water Committee at the EPA’s Science Advisory Board.
57Brave
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https://www.publicintegrity.org/201...ource=twitter.com&utm_campaign=publici-buffer
Like many poor African-American communities, Campti’s poverty is a significant impediment to making crucial improvements to the town’s infrastructure – including its old water system. Hayes is a lifelong resident of the town, where according to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than half of the predominantly African-American population lives in poverty. Campti’s median household income is only $15,428.
Like many poor African-American communities, Campti’s poverty is a significant impediment to making crucial improvements to the town’s infrastructure – including its old water system. Hayes is a lifelong resident of the town, where according to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than half of the predominantly African-American population lives in poverty. Campti’s median household income is only $15,428.
57Brave
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...o-increased-infertility-and-fetal-death-rates
Fertility rates decreased by 12% among Flint women, and fetal death rates increased by 58%, after April 2014, according to research by assistant professors and health economists David Slusky at Kansas University and Daniel Grossman at West Virginia University. The pair examined vital statistics data for Flint and the rest of the state of Michigan from 2008 to 2015, zoomed down to the census-tract level.
That post-April 2014 time period is significant, because that's when — in an effort to save money — the city of Flint switched from water supplied by the city of Detroit to using the Flint River as a drinking water source, without adding needed anti-corrosives to the water. Lead levels in drinking water supplies spiked as a result.
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There is no safe level of lead in the body, but the impacts of lead are considered most severe on the developing brains and nervous systems of children and fetuses. It can lead to lower intelligence, behavioral problems and diminished life achievement, according to researchers. And the damage is irreversible; it cannot be undone. [...]
Babies born in Flint were also nearly 150 grams lighter than in other areas, were born a half-week earlier and gained 5 grams per week less than babies in other areas examined over the time period.
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xaxnar
Sep 21 · 03:42:25 PM
Call it environmental ethnic cleansing. The poor, minorities are always expendable.
Fertility rates decreased by 12% among Flint women, and fetal death rates increased by 58%, after April 2014, according to research by assistant professors and health economists David Slusky at Kansas University and Daniel Grossman at West Virginia University. The pair examined vital statistics data for Flint and the rest of the state of Michigan from 2008 to 2015, zoomed down to the census-tract level.
That post-April 2014 time period is significant, because that's when — in an effort to save money — the city of Flint switched from water supplied by the city of Detroit to using the Flint River as a drinking water source, without adding needed anti-corrosives to the water. Lead levels in drinking water supplies spiked as a result.
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There is no safe level of lead in the body, but the impacts of lead are considered most severe on the developing brains and nervous systems of children and fetuses. It can lead to lower intelligence, behavioral problems and diminished life achievement, according to researchers. And the damage is irreversible; it cannot be undone. [...]
Babies born in Flint were also nearly 150 grams lighter than in other areas, were born a half-week earlier and gained 5 grams per week less than babies in other areas examined over the time period.
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xaxnar
Sep 21 · 03:42:25 PM
Call it environmental ethnic cleansing. The poor, minorities are always expendable.
57Brave
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The Rude Pundit @rudepundit 1h1 hour ago
Republicans' Fake Concern for Fetuses: Flint Edition:
https://shar.es/1Vu2CX
There is something I keep coming back to whenever I read or hear about Flint, something I wrote back in January 2016: "Michigan has a $700 million surplus in its state budget. It would have cost perhaps $100 a day to put phosphates into the water when the supply was first switched to prevent the water from corroding the pipes" and leeching lead into the water. It was forseeable and preventable. An ounce of prevention, man, just the tiniest bit. I wonder how much funding was spent on things like the militarization of the police instead of making people's homes safe at a fundamental level.
Republicans' Fake Concern for Fetuses: Flint Edition:
https://shar.es/1Vu2CX
There is something I keep coming back to whenever I read or hear about Flint, something I wrote back in January 2016: "Michigan has a $700 million surplus in its state budget. It would have cost perhaps $100 a day to put phosphates into the water when the supply was first switched to prevent the water from corroding the pipes" and leeching lead into the water. It was forseeable and preventable. An ounce of prevention, man, just the tiniest bit. I wonder how much funding was spent on things like the militarization of the police instead of making people's homes safe at a fundamental level.
57Brave
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oh yeah, what with uninsuring millions of kids / giving themselves a tax break /the bungled response to a natural disaster
Flint has been without drinking water for over 750 days.
wonder where else ?
What is in your water ?
How old are your pipes ?
Trump kids cost the government $300K to go skiing.
Suppose that money went toward ...
Flint has been without drinking water for over 750 days.
wonder where else ?
What is in your water ?
How old are your pipes ?
Trump kids cost the government $300K to go skiing.
Suppose that money went toward ...
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2017/10/02/consolidated-class-action-lawsuit-flint/106233252/
Attorneys for 21 law firms have filed a consolidated class-action lawsuit against two engineering firms, Flint officials and state officials including Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and former state Treasurer Andy Dillon over Flint’s lead-contaminated water.
In June, Federal Judge Judith Levy in Ann Arbor ruled that Flint residents have sufficiently argued that the conduct of government officials “was so egregious as to shock the conscience” — a key legal standard. Levy ordered the lawyers to consolidate the arguments after she dismissed other parts of the lawsuit.
The lawsuit argues that the engineering firms and government officials unconstitutionally did not treat the predominantly black residents of Flint the same as the predominantly white residents of great Genesee County. The suit on behalf of Flint’s 100,000 residents and other users of its water system also says the defendants acted recklessly and did not respect residents’ due process rights.
The defendants “devised or acquiesced to an Interim Plan that allowed the predominately white water users of Genesee County to receive the safe superior water from DWSD and the predominately black water users of Flint would have to accept during the interim period grossly inferior, previously rejected and potentially unsafe Flint River water,” according to the lawsuit filed Friday.
In late July, a three-judge panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals allowed plaintiffs in one case before Levy to try to seek relief from Snyder in the form of compensation for education, medical monitoring and evaluation services for ongoing harm from Flint’s lead-contaminated water. In the other case, the appeals judges dismissed the possibility of seeking penalties for Snyder, the state of Michigan, the state Department of Environmental Quality and the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
All three judges -- appointed by Democratic presidents -- argued that the 11th Amendment gives the state and Snyder immunity against damages sought by private citizens.
The residents can't even sue the politicians who were supposed to be serving them. What a disgrace.
Attorneys for 21 law firms have filed a consolidated class-action lawsuit against two engineering firms, Flint officials and state officials including Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and former state Treasurer Andy Dillon over Flint’s lead-contaminated water.
In June, Federal Judge Judith Levy in Ann Arbor ruled that Flint residents have sufficiently argued that the conduct of government officials “was so egregious as to shock the conscience” — a key legal standard. Levy ordered the lawyers to consolidate the arguments after she dismissed other parts of the lawsuit.
The lawsuit argues that the engineering firms and government officials unconstitutionally did not treat the predominantly black residents of Flint the same as the predominantly white residents of great Genesee County. The suit on behalf of Flint’s 100,000 residents and other users of its water system also says the defendants acted recklessly and did not respect residents’ due process rights.
The defendants “devised or acquiesced to an Interim Plan that allowed the predominately white water users of Genesee County to receive the safe superior water from DWSD and the predominately black water users of Flint would have to accept during the interim period grossly inferior, previously rejected and potentially unsafe Flint River water,” according to the lawsuit filed Friday.
In late July, a three-judge panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals allowed plaintiffs in one case before Levy to try to seek relief from Snyder in the form of compensation for education, medical monitoring and evaluation services for ongoing harm from Flint’s lead-contaminated water. In the other case, the appeals judges dismissed the possibility of seeking penalties for Snyder, the state of Michigan, the state Department of Environmental Quality and the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.
All three judges -- appointed by Democratic presidents -- argued that the 11th Amendment gives the state and Snyder immunity against damages sought by private citizens.
The residents can't even sue the politicians who were supposed to be serving them. What a disgrace.
57Brave
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and our cities are old and insufficient. The water undrinkable and the electrical grid outdated
70% of the world’s people will live in cities by 2050. How digital technology can make urban areas safer
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and our cities are old and insufficient. The water undrinkable and the electrical grid outdated
57Brave
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http://www.eclectablog.com/2016/12/...-way-to-profit-from-the-flintwatercrisis.html
The DeVos connection to Boxed Water is a short straight line. DeVos is the chairwoman of a privately held investment group named The Windquest Group:
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The DeVos connection to Boxed Water is a short straight line. DeVos is the chairwoman of a privately held investment group named The Windquest Group:
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57Brave
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Flint 3rd grade reading proficiency dropped from 41.8% in 2013,
the first year of the lead water poisoning, to 10.7%
https://www.freep.com/story/news/co...75-drop-reading-proficiency-flint/1074057001/
Flint 3rd grade reading proficiency dropped from 41.8% in 2013,
the first year of the lead water poisoning, to 10.7%
https://www.freep.com/story/news/co...75-drop-reading-proficiency-flint/1074057001/
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
57 look at these dates and who was responsible and in charge. I will skip the city setup as from major on down are all Democrats.
Oct 15, 2015
Jan 5, 2016
MOST IMPORTANT Jan 14, 2016
It seems that both sides, greed, negligence and a whole lot of crap has went on. This is not solely on one party since the EPA under Obama basically ignored them.
GM leaving the city hurt the most because all the jobs (good ones) have left and it wasn't replaced. So whatever scraps that were leftover the Democrat council of the city entrenched themselves but neglected to do anything until it was too late.
If the city management (all Democrats) done something in the beginning, this could've been avoided.
Oct 15, 2015
Jan 5, 2016
MOST IMPORTANT Jan 14, 2016
It seems that both sides, greed, negligence and a whole lot of crap has went on. This is not solely on one party since the EPA under Obama basically ignored them.
GM leaving the city hurt the most because all the jobs (good ones) have left and it wasn't replaced. So whatever scraps that were leftover the Democrat council of the city entrenched themselves but neglected to do anything until it was too late.
If the city management (all Democrats) done something in the beginning, this could've been avoided.