Fredi loves Schlosser, and I can't figure it out. He's the worst reliever in this bullpen, and he pitched in a 4-4 game and a game where we trailed 1-0. This is why Fredi is so dumb. He refuses to use guys like Walden when we trail 1-0, and the game becomes unmanageable for the offense to come back. Then he brings Schlosser in over Walden in a 4-4 game, and the Mets score to win the game. His bullpen management cost us this Mets series.
Fredi Gonzalez Rant Thread.
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Fredi is fairly rigid in setting bullpen roles. He is not the only manager who is like that. But it is not a good thing imo. Among other things, it leads to excessive use of certain relievers over short periods.
The current roles that Fredi has laid out calls for the big 3 to be used when the Braves are tied or ahead by 3 runs or less (sometimes 4 runs or less) in the last three innings. Walden gets the 7th, Carpenter the 8th, Kimbrel the 9th. Sometimes Avilan is brought in to help out in the seventh.
The other relievers are used when the team is behind or in innings before the seventh. Or in extra innings.
There are some other issues with Fredi's pen management. One has to do with not properly taking into account splits. He treats guys like Avilan and Thomas like LOOGY's when in fact they are not bad against righties. And he tends to leave guys like Schlosser (and Gearrin in the past) in against lefties in high leverage situations when he shouldn't. Having Schlosser face Duda, Young and Murphy in the eighth inning in a one-run game is an example of what I'm talking about.
He also tends to favor and disfavor certain pitchers in ways that do not fully reflect the relative qualities of the players in question. But I think every manager does that.
Finally, he also has a tendency to overuse guys who are doing well and not keep guys who are struggling active enough to give them a chance to work out of their problems. I'm talking about pitchers here. I'm hoping he doesn't lose confidence in Walden and put him in the deep freezer. Walden is one of those guys you have to be careful in using. Use him too much and he breaks down. Use him too little and he loses his edge. He's the kind of pitcher that can have problems with a manager like Fredi.
The current roles that Fredi has laid out calls for the big 3 to be used when the Braves are tied or ahead by 3 runs or less (sometimes 4 runs or less) in the last three innings. Walden gets the 7th, Carpenter the 8th, Kimbrel the 9th. Sometimes Avilan is brought in to help out in the seventh.
The other relievers are used when the team is behind or in innings before the seventh. Or in extra innings.
There are some other issues with Fredi's pen management. One has to do with not properly taking into account splits. He treats guys like Avilan and Thomas like LOOGY's when in fact they are not bad against righties. And he tends to leave guys like Schlosser (and Gearrin in the past) in against lefties in high leverage situations when he shouldn't. Having Schlosser face Duda, Young and Murphy in the eighth inning in a one-run game is an example of what I'm talking about.
He also tends to favor and disfavor certain pitchers in ways that do not fully reflect the relative qualities of the players in question. But I think every manager does that.
Finally, he also has a tendency to overuse guys who are doing well and not keep guys who are struggling active enough to give them a chance to work out of their problems. I'm talking about pitchers here. I'm hoping he doesn't lose confidence in Walden and put him in the deep freezer. Walden is one of those guys you have to be careful in using. Use him too much and he breaks down. Use him too little and he loses his edge. He's the kind of pitcher that can have problems with a manager like Fredi.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
This team is clinically brain dead.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
The guys in the replay room in New York are laughing their asses off at Fredi for not challenging that last play.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Keep the insults aimed at Fredi, please. Thanks.
braves31win
Arizona Fall Leaguer
Credit him with the win tonight pinch running Schafer with 2 outs and the hit and run 2-2 to walk off. Fredi G bitches!
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
Why would it be any surprise. I mean this is the same guy that batted Alex freakin Gonzalez in the 2 hole. Who in their right mind does something like that?
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Stay on topic, please. Thanks.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
On the flip side as long as Fredi has the Braves in playoff contention year in and year out he's going nowhere. It doesn't matter his lineup construction or anything else. As long as they win he is here to stay.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Since he's an excellent manager, the Dodgers can hire him when they fire Mattingly after not reaching the WS.
100% agreed. Heyward/J-Upt/Freeman is a potential murders row lineup and we need to get back to that. BJ will never be what we (I) thought he would be here. Its about putting Justin in the best possible spot.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
But do you think batting BJ second is a good move?
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
If we're going to have YNOT threads for each series, can someone make a BINGO game out of Fredi's managing? The free space would be BJ batting second.
