Fredi Gonzalez Rant Thread.

Furthermore, Varvaro threw to one batter. Absolutely no reason not to let him start the eighth at least. That way you might have Avilan/Carpenter in the 9th.

Face it, the man can not manage a bullpen.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Furthermore, Varvaro threw to one batter. Absolutely no reason not to let him start the eighth at least. That way you might have Avilan/Carpenter in the 9th.

Face it, the man can not manage a bullpen.
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I think Varvaro got hit for.

And do you really want Varvaro vs the heart of their order or a lefty.

Hindsight is 20-20, but Avilan was the right move.

It's opinion whether he can or not.
 
Heyward said:
I think Varvaro got hit for.

And do you really want Varvaro vs the heart of their order or a lefty.

Hindsight is 20-20, but Avilan was the right move.

It's opinion whether he can or not.
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He was hit for after the Braves had a four-run lead. I know it's a small park, but if he can't be trusted to protect a 4-run lead, he shouldn't be on the roster.

The point is you can't be micromanaging like that if you're basically short two relievers.

And if we're going to rely on lefty-lefty all the time, we need three lefties in the pen.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Then, for God's sake, don't take Thomas out just because of an error and a righty coming up. What was Fredi going to do if we went to extras? If Kimbrel and Walden weren't available, you hold back as much as possible.
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I think the plan was as follows working backwards from the 9th:

1) Carpenter in the 9th
2) Avilan in the 8th
3) Thomas in the 7th
4) Varvaro and Schlosser as needed, with one presumably held in reserve for extra innings.
 
bravesnumberone said:
He was hit for after the Braves had a four-run lead. I know it's a small park, but if he can't be trusted to protect a 4-run lead, he shouldn't be on the roster.

The point is you can't be micromanaging like that if you're basically short two relievers.

And if we're going to rely on lefty-lefty all the time, we need three lefties in the pen.
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A 4-run lead in that park is hardly safe.

Varvaro is one of our worst RP's, fact stands that using Avilan was the right move.

It doesnt work and you plus the other Fredi haters say it was the wrong move, color me shocked :eusa_naughty:
 
Heyward said:
A 4-run lead in that park is hardly safe.

Varvaro is one of our worst RP's, fact stands that using Avilan was the right move.

It doesnt work and you plus the other Fredi haters say it was the wrong move, color me shocked :eusa_naughty:
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A few points if I must.

1. I never said using Avilan in the 8th wasn't the right move. It was. Leaving him in when he was getting smashed around was not. But I conceded that, given that Kimbrel and Walden weren't available, Fredi probably had no other choice.
2. With that being said, Ian Thomas should have been allowed to finish the 7th inning. Because that way you have Varvaro still available. If Thomas had given up a homer to Mayberry, then whatever. He's killed us before.
3. If Varvaro is one of our worst, WHY was he brought in with the tying run on and the go-ahead run at the plate? Should be noted he struck the hitter out.
4. This thread is for Fredi rants, and Dalyn wishes us to remain on topic.

It's unbelievable how some people on here will defend idiotic baseball decisions because the guy making them wears a certain uniform.
 
I think Fredi is trying to minimalize Ian's workload since this is a 4 game series, and you want to make sure at least Thomas and Avilan are healthy in the late innings because of Utley-Howard-Rollins-Brown being lefties.

Avilan had to bite the bullet last night, but at least Thomas should be healthy tonight for a full inning.
 
bravesnumberone said:
A few points if I must.

1. I never said using Avilan in the 8th wasn't the right move. It was. Leaving him in when he was getting smashed around was not. But I conceded that, given that Kimbrel and Walden weren't available, Fredi probably had no other choice.
2. With that being said, Ian Thomas should have been allowed to finish the 7th inning. Because that way you have Varvaro still available. If Thomas had given up a homer to Mayberry, then whatever. He's killed us before.
3. If Varvaro is one of our worst, WHY was he brought in with the tying run on and the go-ahead run at the plate? Should be noted he struck the hitter out.
4. This thread is for Fredi rants, and Dalyn wishes us to remain on topic.

It's unbelievable how some people on here will defend idiotic baseball decisions because the guy making them wears a certain uniform.
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1- Right.
2- I would of kept in Thomas too but with no off-days in sight, they may need him later in the series.
3- No idea.
4- K.

No, it amazes me to no end how everytime we lose, it's all on Fredi.

Last i checked, Fredi doesnt pitch, Fredi doesnt hit, Fredi doesnt field, it's on the players, not the manager.
 
Who do you send down?

Scholosser, he's pretty much the LR guy.

I dont know who else should be sent down.
 
bravesnumberone said:
2. With that being said, Ian Thomas should have been allowed to finish the 7th inning. Because that way you have Varvaro still available. If Thomas had given up a homer to Mayberry, then whatever. He's killed us before.
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I would have stayed with Thomas. But I think going to Varvaro in that situation was not some sort of crazy dumb move. It was debatable. The case for staying with Thomas hinged mainly on the 3 lefties and one switch hitter at the top of the Phillies lineup. If Mayberry gets on then you have Varvaro facing those guys. But bringing in Varvaro to face Mayberry was not nuts.
 
Heyward said:
1- Right.
2- I would of kept in Thomas too but with no off-days in sight, they may need him later in the series.
3- No idea.
4- K.

No, it amazes me to no end how everytime we lose, it's all on Fredi.

Last i checked, Fredi doesnt pitch, Fredi doesnt hit, Fredi doesnt field, it's on the players, not the manager.
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I don't blame Fredi every time we lose. He's rarely responsible for losses. You're right. It's ultimately up to the players to perform. But to say a manager can't have an impact on a game by putting players in a certain position is crazy. Unfortunately for managers, it's easier to have a negative impact than a positive one. But I praised Fredi for how he managed the last couple innings the other night in the 7-6 win over the Nats and will always point out where he's right. If BJ somehow manages to really really turn it around, I'll give Fredi credit for sticking by him. I'm also not going to stop criticizing when it's warranted. He has been very inconsistent with his bullpen management. I feel like he generally has done a good job with our starting pitchers. His lineup construction has been puzzling in the past, but given our offense's overall streakiness, his hands are a little tied there. And he's not a basket case, as it seems we have a pretty good clubhouse. So there. It could be worse, it could be better. At least we're winning games.
 
nsacpi said:
I would have stayed with Thomas. But I think going to Varvaro in that situation was not some sort of crazy dumb move. It was debatable. The case for staying with Thomas hinged mainly on the 3 lefties and one switch hitter at the top of the Phillies lineup. If Mayberry gets on then you have Varvaro facing those guys. But bringing in Varvaro to face Mayberry was not nuts.
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I agree. It wasn't nuts. Just not ideal when we were down two guys.
 
Btw, it is worth noting that Sandberg put the Phillies in an amazingly bad situation by using both Bastardo and Papelbon on three consecutive days. I think a good manager would have not done that with both of his top 2 relievers. You try to keep one of your top two guys available every night.

We're kind of lucky to live in a division with below average managers. I'm not impressed by any of Sandberg, Williams and Collins. Mike Redmond strikes me as being better, and I expect him and the Marlins to be a tough opponent within a year or two.
 
I agree with you there. I'd take Fredi over the rest of the division easily. But Fredi and Bobby both have used their best relievers multiple days in a row plenty of times as well. Sometimes it can be unavoidable, especially since starting pitchers aren't being allowed to go as deep in games. And a team built like the Braves of past years, pitching and not as much offense, makes it hard to avoid.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I agree with you there. I'd take Fredi over the rest of the division easily. But Fredi and Bobby both have used their best relievers multiple days in a row plenty of times as well. Sometimes it can be unavoidable, especially since starting pitchers aren't being allowed to go as deep in games. And a team built like the Braves of past years, pitching and not as much offense, makes it hard to avoid.
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I think they try to avoid using both of their top 2 relievers 3 consecutive days. That's kind of a no-no unless you have some crazy extra innings games.

Another dumb Phillies decision was letting Fransden go. Between Sandberg and Amoro, that's one dim-witted group in Philly.
 
nsacpi said:
Another dumb Phillies decision was letting Fransden go.
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Yep, I hate it the Nats got Kevin Frandsen. He can hit and would've been a nice back-up option to CJ IMO. I know Frandsen isn't a good defender, but CJ has actually been worse at third than him. Frandsen can also play more positions and is a good pinch hitter too.

Just sayin' and off topic too so back to our regularly scheduled program (Fredi rant).
 
we should have two game day threads...initially with relaxed membership rules...even dual membership...but then allow something akin to ethnic cleansing...call it the Yugoslavian model...consider this my daily contribution to peace and harmony
 
nsacpi said:
we should have two game day threads...initially with relaxed membership rules...even dual membership...but then allow something akin to ethnic cleansing...call it the Yugoslavian model...consider this my daily contribution to peace and harmony
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I am fine keeping complaints out of the game thread and where they belong, but I do think it is important to point out that the kind of separation and catering to one opinion over another killed Scout's game threads before PD completely killed scout. Remember the epic game vs the Pirates? That game thread is currently possible here. I would like to keep it that way.
 
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