bravesnumberone
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11. This team can put together some mind numbingly terrible, undisciplined at bats, all while watching hittable pitches go by.
GDT 10/31/21: Braves vs Astros - World Series Game 5
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11. This team can put together some mind numbingly terrible, undisciplined at bats, all while watching hittable pitches go by.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I mean missing Morton was a pretty big deal, no chance he blows a 4-0 lead at home. We essentially have 2 SP's, and a bullpen. Blowing a 3-1 lead would suck again but baseball is a cruel game. Other than last night, Snit has managed pretty well. Even then, offense did next to nothing after the GS in the 1st.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I still wonder how that game plays out if we put our foot down on their neck and go Chavez for 1, then Minter for innings 3 and 4 , Any bulk for 1, then Jackson/Matzek/Smith.
The fact that twit had the pitcher hitting for the first two plate appearances says clearly he has no clue how to run a BP game. The game is just too fast for him. I am hoping we win it all and he retires after this year.
Yes, Tucker should have been pulled after 1 inning. We got what we wanted out of him. We didn't need to see how far he can go to get to our studs.
The fact that twit had the pitcher hitting for the first two plate appearances says clearly he has no clue how to run a BP game. The game is just too fast for him. I am hoping we win it all and he retires after this year.
Yes, Tucker should have been pulled after 1 inning. We got what we wanted out of him. We didn't need to see how far he can go to get to our studs.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Having Tucker go out for the 3rd was one of the worst moves anyone could make. Our pen was too gassed to pull him after 1. Maybe we still end up losing, but that just made no sense and everyone knew what was gonna happen when he came back in. Maybe they didnt wanna waste a PH early in the game. PH Fried if you dont wanna hit a pinch-hitter.
I'm not sure how the takeaway from last night is Davidson is bad at baseball personally.
Manager are paid a lot of money to put their players in the best position possible. Snitker, as has been mentioned repeatedly here, makes awful moves that over the course of 162 you can live with but when you need the 'current game' his moves will kill you.
And Swanson fumbled an almost routine grounder to start the third inning runs.
Manager are paid a lot of money to put their players in the best position possible. Snitker, as has been mentioned repeatedly here, makes awful moves that over the course of 162 you can live with but when you need the 'current game' his moves will kill you.
And Swanson fumbled an almost routine grounder to start the third inning runs.
NYCBrave
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I personally don't think this was Snitker's decision. He was likely told by AA before the game to use Davidson as a SP, and that's what he did. I'm sure they went through scenario's and when to pull him. Regardless of all of that, we were still in position to win until that disaster by Minter. Dansby didn't help, and neither did the terrible AB's by our hitters.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
So you'd have gone Chavez and Martin for 1, Minter for 3-4, and what for 5-6, because Jackson/Matzek/Smith would be going 3 days in a row. We needed some length from a non-top arm, i was okay with Davidson for 2. Going to him for the 3rd was inexcusable though.
Snit didnt manage well but the game was lost by the offense. Last night was gonna be one of those games the offense had to pick up the pitching. And they didnt. We were still in position to take it to our top 3 bullpen arms until Minter couldnt get out Maldanado.
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striker42
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Yeah, sending Davidson back out there for the third only makes sense if the pen is so exhausted that there are multiple guys who are simply not available.
I was honestly surprised at how bad Davidson was. After the game he said he felt he had great stuff but his fastball command wasn't where he wanted it. That depressed me even more as I thought his stuff was very middling and his control issues applied to his entire arsenal, not just his fastball.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Tucker was clearly missing down and off the plate. We worked him through the 1st just fine. At that point use the Righty..any Righty to get down towards the bottom of the order. When the pitcher batted in the 2nd, you pinch hit for him. At that point we go Minter if the lineup is flipped, if not continue to use any other Righty not named Jackson to get through the rest of the Righties and Altuve.. then Minter as soon as Brantley comes in. Ride Minter until his spot comes up again or he looses effectiveness. We could have used Ian for a few hitters, We had guys who could have been used. Lee should have been available really. We should have been able to ride this model till the 6th or 7th. Hope the offense keeps adding on and then ride Jackson/Matzek/Smith for 3 or 4 innings.. celebrate.
striker42
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I do think we need to point out there was no small amount of BABIP luck in the Astros favor last night. We had some balls that were crushed but right at people while their big hit of the night was a blooper by Gonzalez that he barely made contact with. Combine that with completely ineffective pitching and an offense that wasn't locked in and it was going to be tough.
NYCBrave
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Well on the bright side, they had to use Urquidy last night, so now they won't start him in Game 6. Instead they will go back to Garcia on 3 days rest, which is to our advantage. I'm assuming they'd use Urquidy for Game 7, but even then, he will be off schedule. Meanwhile we have both of our starters on full rest and our top bullpen arms will be fully rested too.
Don't forget, the Astros are not getting much length from their starters this series, and their bullpen has been pretty heavily worked as well.
Tucker Davison doesn’t throw pitches that are very good. I detailed that fact after his first couple appearances at the MLB level. This should not be something folks are learning all of a sudden. He is perfectly fine as low cost rotation filler in the regular season, and that’s probably it for him.
The overreactions to a single loss are also typical of this board. Nobody is getting fired for a single loss because everyone did exactly what everyone always does. Snit always makes tactical errors. This lineup outside Freeman, Soler and sometimes Rosario and Riley always has poor plate appearances, as evidenced by their high K and low BB rates.
A good team lost to another good team. That’s all that happened.
The overreactions to a single loss are also typical of this board. Nobody is getting fired for a single loss because everyone did exactly what everyone always does. Snit always makes tactical errors. This lineup outside Freeman, Soler and sometimes Rosario and Riley always has poor plate appearances, as evidenced by their high K and low BB rates.
A good team lost to another good team. That’s all that happened.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Not sure who they'll use if it gets to Game 7, let's hope not for our sake and we end it on Tuesday. If there is a positive from last night, our pen should be fully rested and everyone but Anderson is probably available. With the DH there, we can stretch some guys out for multiple innings without having to PH for them. Hopefully Fried can bounce back after his last 2 games.
OcalaBrave
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The Braves have 12 pitchers on the roster. Max Fired and Ian Anderson were not going to pitch. Kyle Wright likely could not have gone after his work in Game 4. That left 9 pitchers in Snit’s tool kit. He used 5. Davidson, Chavez, Minter, Martin and Smyly. The 4 that didn’t go: Smith, Matzek, Jackson and Lee. Smith, Matzek and Jackson would all have been pitching for the 3rd straight day. Lee seems to be OK picking up innings in a low-pressure situation, but he spit the bit when in a competitive situation.
So I am assuming Snit used what was available to him. That may explain the decision to try to get more out of Davidson and giving him the AB. I didn’t like the wasting of ABs by Snitker, but it seems to me his best bet at stealing a win in Game 5 was to hope one of his arms could give him a string of surprising outs… like he got out of Wright in Game 4. His best bet for that was obviously Minter, but if you start Minter you burn him for Game 6. Snit obviously didn’t want to burn Minter for Game 6. That leaves Davidson, Martin, Chavez and Smyly as the remaining options. Which of those 4 do you trust to get you 12 outs? Is it any wonder we didn’t win Game 5?
I think Snit was right to protect the pen to give us the best chance for Games 6 and 7. Not sure he mixed and matched his tools as best he could in Game 5, but you don’t win the Daytona 500 with a AMC Pacer; no matter how good the mechanic might be.
So I am assuming Snit used what was available to him. That may explain the decision to try to get more out of Davidson and giving him the AB. I didn’t like the wasting of ABs by Snitker, but it seems to me his best bet at stealing a win in Game 5 was to hope one of his arms could give him a string of surprising outs… like he got out of Wright in Game 4. His best bet for that was obviously Minter, but if you start Minter you burn him for Game 6. Snit obviously didn’t want to burn Minter for Game 6. That leaves Davidson, Martin, Chavez and Smyly as the remaining options. Which of those 4 do you trust to get you 12 outs? Is it any wonder we didn’t win Game 5?
I think Snit was right to protect the pen to give us the best chance for Games 6 and 7. Not sure he mixed and matched his tools as best he could in Game 5, but you don’t win the Daytona 500 with a AMC Pacer; no matter how good the mechanic might be.
Tapate50
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50PoundHead
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As NYC Brave pointed out, I think the decision to start Davidson was made above Snitker's pay grade and it was an odd move. What followed was a couple more odd moves, but that happens everywhere during the off-season. I think the decision on whether or not the pitcher hits can be defended on the situation, but having Minter attempt to bunt was really laughable. It's pretty clear Snitker wanted another inning out of him. I lay some of this at the feet of roster construction because I can't figure out why Terrance Gore is on the roster (now watch, he'll score from first base on an infield ground out and I'll be proven wrong) when an actual hitter (we may not have another one of those available) would make more sense. Bottom line is your initial analysis on Davidson stands. He really doesn't have a reliable plus pitch at this point in his career. That could change over time, but I wasn't expecting a gem last night.
I don't know if Smyly put a bag of burning dogsh*t on Snitker's or Anthopoulos' doorstep, but they've really changed his usage pattern starting post-All Star break. I would have started him (but had him on a short leash) last night. It just seems odd to me.