GDT 10/31/21: Braves vs Astros - World Series Game 5

50PoundHead said:
As NYC Brave pointed out, I think the decision to start Davidson was made above Snitker's pay grade and it was an odd move. What followed was a couple more odd moves, but that happens everywhere during the off-season. I think the decision on whether or not the pitcher hits can be defended on the situation, but having Minter attempt to bunt was really laughable. It's pretty clear Snitker wanted another inning out of him. I lay some of this at the feet of roster construction because I can't figure out why Terrance Gore is on the roster (now watch, he'll score from first base on an infield ground out and I'll be proven wrong) when an actual hitter (we may not have another one of those available) would make more sense. Bottom line is your initial analysis on Davidson stands. He really doesn't have a reliable plus pitch at this point in his career. That could change over time, but I wasn't expecting a gem last night.

I don't know if Smyly put a bag of burning dogsh*t on Snitker's or Anthopoulos' doorstep, but they've really changed his usage pattern starting post-All Star break. I would have started him (but had him on a short leash) last night. It just seems odd to me.
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It's almost unfathomable that we are in the World Series and are relying on Lee and Davidson to make starts and Kyle Wright logging major innings. However, that just shows you the importance of pitching depth. Injuries (Morton, Ynoa) and ineffectiveness (Smyly) have played a huge part. We needed to get innings somewhere. I just wish it wasn't guys making their first career starts. On the one hand, you have to look at what Wright gave us yesterday as a total gift.

The good news is, we seemed to have survived the portion of the series where we will be relying on unproven talent to cover innings and are now up 3-2. There are one and possibly two games left, and we really shouldn't expect to see anyone in those innings aside from a fully rested Fried, Anderson (game 7), Minter, Jackson, Matzek and Smith to cover those innings.
 
NYCBrave said:
It's almost unfathomable that we are in the World Series and are relying on Lee and Davidson to make starts and Kyle Wright logging major innings. However, that just shows you the importance of pitching depth. Injuries (Morton, Ynoa) and ineffectiveness (Smyly) have played a huge part. We needed to get innings somewhere. I just wish it wasn't guys making their first career starts. On the one hand, you have to look at what Wright gave us yesterday as a total gift.

The good news is, we seemed to have survived the portion of the series where we will be relying on unproven talent to cover innings and are now up 3-2. There are one and possibly two games left, and we really shouldn't expect to see anyone in those innings aside from a fully rested Fried, Anderson (game 7), Minter, Jackson, Matzek and Smith to cover those innings.
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This. The only logical reason for the decisions by Snit in Game 5.
 
50PoundHead said:
As NYC Brave pointed out, I think the decision to start Davidson was made above Snitker's pay grade and it was an odd move. What followed was a couple more odd moves, but that happens everywhere during the off-season. I think the decision on whether or not the pitcher hits can be defended on the situation, but having Minter attempt to bunt was really laughable. It's pretty clear Snitker wanted another inning out of him. I lay some of this at the feet of roster construction because I can't figure out why Terrance Gore is on the roster (now watch, he'll score from first base on an infield ground out and I'll be proven wrong) when an actual hitter (we may not have another one of those available) would make more sense. Bottom line is your initial analysis on Davidson stands. He really doesn't have a reliable plus pitch at this point in his career. That could change over time, but I wasn't expecting a gem last night.

I don't know if Smyly put a bag of burning dogsh*t on Snitker's or Anthopoulos' doorstep, but they've really changed his usage pattern starting post-All Star break. I would have started him (but had him on a short leash) last night. It just seems odd to me.
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I'm not sure we have an actual hitter available to add to the roster. We carried Camargo while Soler was out, and continue to carry Arcia. At least Gore carries some value, albeit in a highly special situational use only.
 
DirkPiggler said:
I'm not sure we have an actual hitter available to add to the roster. We carried Camargo while Soler was out, and continue to carry Arcia. At least Gore carries some value, albeit in a highly special situational use only.
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I don't disagree. There just isn't a reliable hitter available in the system beyond what's currently on the bench. I guess my point is that Snitker didn't want to waste a position player in a situation where scoring is unlikely. Granted, allowing the pitcher to hit turns "unlikely" into "extremely unlikely," but after watching the Dodgers and the Rays run out of hitters by pulling the levers too early, you can see why caution is in order. And you're right about Gore as well. He's very valuable in an isolated situation if the proper circumstances were to arise.
 
Just a quick reminder that the Braves won’t be the team facing elimination tomorrow and they currently have a 3-2 lead with their two best available starters going on full rest as well as a fully rested arsenal of their high-leverage guys, minus Minter. It sucks they couldn’t get it done at home but it was never going to be easy.
 
I saw this on Twitter:

With runners on base this playoffs…
Ozzie is 4 for 29 with 2 rbi, 1XBH 2bbs
Dansby is 2 for 16 with 0XBH 1 rbi Obbs
Tda is 1 for 20!!! With 1 rbi, 0XBH 3bbs

7 for 65 with 1 extra basehit and 3 RBI’s.

That is why the Braves are not WS champions (yet). Lol
 
OcalaBrave said:
The Braves have 12 pitchers on the roster. Max Fired and Ian Anderson were not going to pitch. Kyle Wright likely could not have gone after his work in Game 4. That left 9 pitchers in Snit’s tool kit. He used 5. Davidson, Chavez, Minter, Martin and Smyly. The 4 that didn’t go: Smith, Matzek, Jackson and Lee. Smith, Matzek and Jackson would all have been pitching for the 3rd straight day. Lee seems to be OK picking up innings in a low-pressure situation, but he spit the bit when in a competitive situation.

So I am assuming Snit used what was available to him. That may explain the decision to try to get more out of Davidson and giving him the AB. I didn’t like the wasting of ABs by Snitker, but it seems to me his best bet at stealing a win in Game 5 was to hope one of his arms could give him a string of surprising outs… like he got out of Wright in Game 4. His best bet for that was obviously Minter, but if you start Minter you burn him for Game 6. Snit obviously didn’t want to burn Minter for Game 6. That leaves Davidson, Martin, Chavez and Smyly as the remaining options. Which of those 4 do you trust to get you 12 outs? Is it any wonder we didn’t win Game 5?

I think Snit was right to protect the pen to give us the best chance for Games 6 and 7. Not sure he mixed and matched his tools as best he could in Game 5, but you don’t win the Daytona 500 with a AMC Pacer; no matter how good the mechanic might be.
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Didnt get throwing Davidson for a 3rd inning but Snit didnt have many options. Morton going down really ****ed us over. No question he shoves in Game 5 with a 4-0 lead.
 
I didn't hate Snitker's decisions last night. He tried to get extra outs from Davidson because he started with a 4 run lead. He brought in Minter to bridge the gap and Minter faltered. He needed to get through a couple more innings to get to the leverage guys and Chavez failed. It didn't make sense to go high leverage when Chavez came in, and certainly not after he came out. Now he has his best weapons fresh for game 6. Just another game of ticket revenue.
 
From a 30,000-foot perspective we're in a decent spot. We won one of the bullpen games, we've got Fried and Anderson lined up for games six and seven and with the off day our elite relief arms should be ready to go all out in each of the last two games. Certainly feels like Houston has the momentum, but then I'm pretty sure we all felt like the Dodgers had ripped our guts out in game three of the NLCS, so that's only worth so much.
 
MadduxFanII said:
From a 30,000-foot perspective we're in a decent spot. We won one of the bullpen games, we've got Fried and Anderson lined up for games six and seven and with the off day our elite relief arms should be ready to go all out in each of the last two games. Certainly feels like Houston has the momentum, but then I'm pretty sure we all felt like the Dodgers had ripped our guts out in game three of the NLCS, so that's only worth so much.
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This is where I'm at. It only feels bad because we scored 4 in the first and had a lead.

But the goal coming to Atlanta was to win Ian's start and 1 of the pen games. We did that. We have the best 2 starting pitchers left in Fried and Ian. They will be starting a rookie on 3 days rest and a past his prime Grienke on 3 days rest in game 7. Braves are in a great spot.
 
from a 40,000 foot view, I see the Braves are still making sure the most epic collapse in Atlanta sports history is obtainable. Gotta work hard to beat that Falcon's disaster..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
from a 40,000 foot view, I see the Braves are still making sure the most epic collapse in Atlanta sports history is obtainable. Gotta work hard to beat that Falcon's disaster..
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Is it worse than Atlanta going up 2-0 on the Yankees and heading to Atlanta only to lose 4 straight? Cus that was bad.
 
thewupk said:
Is it worse than Atlanta going up 2-0 on the Yankees and heading to Atlanta only to lose 4 straight? Cus that was bad.
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first off.. **** leyritz

it will be close. I started this run this year saying we are playing with house money. What ever happens happens.. now we are 1 freaking win away, and I think that will make it hurt the most. We shouldn't win but are.. and it will be to cheaters on top of that. We have to finish this right and then let Twit retire in the offseason..
 
UNCBlue012 said:
I saw this on Twitter:

With runners on base this playoffs…
Ozzie is 4 for 29 with 2 rbi, 1XBH 2bbs
Dansby is 2 for 16 with 0XBH 1 rbi Obbs
Tda is 1 for 20!!! With 1 rbi, 0XBH 3bbs

7 for 65 with 1 extra basehit and 3 RBI’s.

That is why the Braves are not WS champions (yet). Lol
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TDA has arguably been our best hitter in the World Series.

The reason we aren’t World Series champs is because the Astros lineup is really effing good.

We had a 5-4 lead in the 5th inning with our best relief pitchers set to pitch and it didn’t work out. We could have been in a better position (no Davidson, where is Ozzie?, etc.) but we still lost by 4 runs. A lot has to go wrong to lose by that much.
 
thethe said:
That was at least against the greatest team (late 90's yankees) ever.
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Are they though? Braves finishing that would have changed that narrative greatly. And I have a hard time believing a matter of a couple of games (in baseball no less) can decide who the greatest team ever is.
 
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chop2chip said:
TDA has arguably been our best hitter in the World Series.

The reason we aren’t World Series champs is because the Astros lineup is really effing good.

We had a 5-4 lead in the 5th inning with our best relief pitchers set to pitch and it didn’t work out. We could have been in a better position (no Davidson, where is Ozzie?, etc.) but we still lost by 4 runs. A lot has to go wrong to lose by that much.
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Amen to that. Holding them to zero and two runs in Games 3 and 4 respectively is quite a feat. Their 1 through 7 rivals anyone in the bigs.
 
thewupk said:
Are they though? Braves finishing that would have changed that narrative greatly. And I have a hard time believing a matter of a couple of games (in baseball no less) can decide who the greatest team ever is.
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What do you not think was the best of all time about that team?
 
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