GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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thethe said:
Quite a few of the measures that you are pushing though end up killing legacy type jobs and that’s a majority of the voting population.
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Medicare for All creates a lot of jobs, it just blights boardroom bank-accounts and shareholder profits.

Ditto Green New Deal.

The majority of the population benefits from these measures. The majority of oligarchs, however, do not—which is why neither major party is pushing them.
 
Saying the majority of Americans supports medicare for all is overly simplistic. The question focuses on the benefit. Wouldn't it be great if we all had free healthcare? The popularity of such things plummet when you start talking about details.

What would the percentage be if they were told medicare for all but with a 10% tax increase?

Americans aren't fans of socialism, they're fans of free candy. Socialism gives out a lot of candy but when it's time to pay the bill those things become suddenly less popular.
 
nsacpi said:
expanding healthcare coverage is by far the party's best issue...they should talk about it 90% of the time...but the language and emphasis needs to be different by district...and some tolerance for incrementalism is a good thing...the end goal of the two wings of the party is not much different on healthcare
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I cannot tolerate incrementalism when it comes to healthcare. People will literally die because canards like "access" and "affordability" do not equal actual coverage.

As someone who has had health-care exactly one year since 2012—my first year of grad-school, when I was poor enough to be eligible for Montana Medicaid—I intimately understand how useless ACA-style incrementalism is for so many in this country. Nobody's out here trying to pay $140/month for a $6000-deductible Bronze Plan. That's not affordable, nor accessible.
 
jpx7 said:
Medicare for All creates a lot of jobs, it just blights boardroom bank-accounts and shareholder profits.

Ditto Green New Deal.

The majority of the population benefits from these measures. The majority of oligarchs, however, do not—which is why neither major party is pushing them.
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there are certain progressive policies that are actually very sound economically...for example, tax credits for childcare
 
jpx7 said:
Medicare for All creates a lot of jobs, it just blights boardroom bank-accounts and shareholder profits.

Ditto Green New Deal.

The majority of the population benefits from these measures. The majority of oligarchs, however, do not—which is why neither major party is pushing them.
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The green new deal job creation is not beneficial for those whose jobs are being replaced.
 
jpx7 said:
I cannot tolerate incrementalism when it comes to healthcare. People will literally die because canards like "access" and "affordability" do not equal actual coverage.

As someone who has had health-care exactly one year since 2012—my first year of grad-school, when I was poor enough to be eligible for Montana Medicaid—I intimately understand how useless ACA-style incrementalism is for so many in this country. Nobody's out here trying to pay $140/month for a $6000-deductible Bronze Plan. That's not affordable, nor accessible.
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I share your frustrations. I run a small business and it is an annual scramble finding health insurance for our workers.
 
striker42 said:
Saying the majority of Americans supports medicare for all is overly simplistic. The question focuses on the benefit. Wouldn't it be great if we all had free healthcare? The popularity of such things plummet when you start talking about details.

What would the percentage be if they were told medicare for all but with a 10% tax increase?

Americans aren't fans of socialism, they're fans of free candy. Socialism gives out a lot of candy but when it's time to pay the bill those things become suddenly less popular.
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Nonsense
No one is selling M4A as free health care (except Jim Jordan, Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell)--- Americans are fans of socialism. They just dont know it or what it is
Witness TParty signs telling the government to keep their hands off of Medicare.
 
striker42 said:
Saying the majority of Americans supports medicare for all is overly simplistic. The question focuses on the benefit. Wouldn't it be great if we all had free healthcare? The popularity of such things plummet when you start talking about details.

What would the percentage be if they were told medicare for all but with a 10% tax increase?

Americans aren't fans of socialism, they're fans of free candy. Socialism gives out a lot of candy but when it's time to pay the bill those things become suddenly less popular.
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This is actually the overly-simplistic analysis, because you're only looking at one area of increase/decrease (tax—of which there are various kinds, by the way), and not other areas. The savings under most M4A plans—for both the average US citizen, and the US government overall—outweigh the additional tax burdens, and then some.
 
MAGA is going full CSI. If there is no voter fraud proven I dont want to hear **** about how this wasnt a fair election. I know how this works. They wont find anything that makes up more than a normal recount would. Then when they lose they will still claim they were cheated forever. Either find it and prove it or it didnt happen. This isnt something like the Russia investigation where we have limited ability to investigate. All this election stuff creates records that can be recounted and triple checked. IF we have to go through all this **** because you cant accept losing..... atleast accept it after they recount it and triple check it. Yeah, I know they will do it anyways.



I highly recommend the Charlie Kirk show. They are still in step 1.
 
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thethe said:
The green new deal job creation is not beneficial for those whose jobs are being replaced.
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nor were buggie makers and their employees when the automobile became the prime means of transportation.

There will be a plethora of new jobs as we transition
once you scratch the surface
 
nsacpi said:
there are certain progressive policies that are actually very sound economically...for example, tax credits for childcare
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I think the policies would actually fare better if they were sold on economic merits and logical soundness. Instead they're tossed in a bag with policies that aren't economically sound and so are tainted by association.
 
thethe said:
The green new deal job creation is not beneficial for those whose jobs are being replaced.
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Those jobs are being replaced, sooner or later. You see it already with petroleum companies investing into alternative energies.

But it isn't happening quickly enough, and isn't happening with workers in mind—just shareholders. I'd rather see a progressive, populist government manage that transition—and help re-train workers—than watch energy corporations replace those jobs with nothing but stock-price in mind.
 
jpx7 said:
Those jobs are being replaced, sooner or later. You see it already with petroleum companies investing into alternative energies.

But it isn't happening quickly enough, and isn't happening with workers in mind—just shareholders. I'd rather see a progressive, populist government manage that transition—and help re-train workers—than watch energy corporations replace those jobs with nothing but stock-price in mind.
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If there's one thing the economy loves, it's massive upheaval.
 
striker42 said:
If there's one thing the economy loves, it's massive upheaval.
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Short-sighted take.

The industrial-revolution was a massive upheaval, and the economy sure loved that. But now the world it created needs a pretty substantial course-correction if we want a liveable planet. Luckily, there's a way to do it that also empowers and enriches workers who are increasingly being left behind otherwise.
 
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wow, we are talking policy !!!!!!!!!!!1

I hate to break that up but,

PHI Mayor Jim Kenney: "I think what the president needs to do is, frankly put his big boy pants on. He needs to acknowledge the fact that he lost and he needs to congratulate the winner, just as Jimmy Carter did, just as George H.W. Bush did, and, frankly, just as Al Gore did."
 
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jpx7 said:
Those jobs are being replaced, sooner or later. You see it already with petroleum companies investing into alternative energies.

But it isn't happening quickly enough, and isn't happening with workers in mind—just shareholders. I'd rather see a progressive, populist government manage that transition—and help re-train workers—than watch energy corporations replace those jobs with nothing but stock-price in mind.
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The market is always the most efficient measure of progress and we have seen significant progress

Aside from nuclear alternative energies just can’t sustain our way of life yet and are much dirtier than the public image portrays.
 
thethe said:
The market is always the most efficient measure of progress and we have seen significant progress

Aside from nuclear alternative energies just can’t sustain our way of life yet and are much dirtier than the public image portrays.
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I have no faith in your market, given its history of littering abject social failures across the globe.

But that's one of the big differences between left-wing (correct) and right-wing (incorrect) populism.
 
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