GDT: 3/29/18 - Atlanta Braves vs. Philthies (ITS OPENING DAYYYYY)

thewupk said:
To make it really work you need the long relievers that are good enough to go through a lineup once but not much after that. Those guys exist. Teams will figure a way to maximize the benefit from having their starters not go through a lineup a 3rd time just to get a quality start.
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It’s not like most failed starters are lights out first time through the order.

That is a talent that was already valuable and sought after.

A desire for more such players is more likely just to drive up the price of the ones that exist than it is to create enough of the guys to go around the 20 teams that might be trying to make that happen.

By the time you are talking about this strategy on a message board the experimental teams have already tested the concept and the next group is playing me too and devil take the hindmost.
 
msstate7 said:
I thought of him when Lane got PH. Most people pick a favorite player among the top prospects/players. 76 loves him some lane
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I didn't even see the AB as my feed was out. But I do like what Lane brings to our bench as he's had good success pinch hitting, has great speed to pinch run or steal if he gets a hit. Plus he has enough pop to hit a homer every now and then and isn't bad defensively despite assertions by some here. However, my advocacy for him was in direct response to so many bashing him and wanting him dropped after his good season last year. He isn't really one of my favorites though, that would be between Albies and Inciarte. If someone takes a shot at them I'll defend them much harder than I would Adams.
 
50PoundHead said:
It might be a tough choice for Markakis to decide which cap he wants featured on his Cooperstown bust.
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He’s not likely to be good enough this year to get a starting job next year, but if some team obliged for the next six years, Markakis would have a shot at 3,000 hits which used to be considered a golden ticket for the HOF, but in Neck’s case he wouldn’t stand a chance.
 
I understand Kapler’s decision-making process (well - except he did bat Nola in the top of the inning with a runner on third base. That’s a more egregious error than removing Nola outright). I think he will prove to be a good tactician and is well suited for this era. He didn’t lose this game for the Phillies.
 
Southcack77 said:
We’ve had deep pen strategies in mlb before and they’ve been successful when the talent was there.

But relievers are volatile and not so easy to assemble in numbers.

If this becomes the hot thing the cost of these guys is going to shoot up and it’s not going to be such an efficient strategy.

There is a reason why the game evolved to starters pitching deep.

But if this is the strategy arguably the Braves are set up as well as anyone with lots of in-house options who could be transitioned into swing roles.

I don’t see it being a revolution. Roster size also a limiting factor.
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I think that sometimes managers have to roll the dice. I just think in this particular situation, you don't roll the dice with someone like Borders on the mound. What I see happening now isn't really a revolution. I used to buy the Elias Baseball Handbooks back in the 1980s and they had each pitchers breakdown at < 30 pitches, < 60 pitches, and > 60 pitches. My guess is some managers used that information and some didn't.

Trends come and go, sometimes back by analysis and sometimes not. The multiple inning reliever would be a comeback of sorts, but the problem with employing that approach is that those guys often can't go more than twice a week so you really have to leave them out there when they aren't effective or you'll overuse your bullpen guys that you want to save for other situations. I think it will be interesting to follow how pitchers are used in the minor leagues and if some of these AAAA starters are groomed to become multiple inning relievers.
 
chop2chip said:
I understand Kapler’s decision-making process (well - except he did bat Nola in the top of the inning with a runner on third base. That’s a more egregious error than removing Nola outright). I think he will prove to be a good tactician and is well suited for this era. He didn’t lose this game for the Phillies.
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Suggests that Nola was pulled more out of a feeling things weren’t going well than due to any optimized strategy, yeah?

I think after hearing Chipper talk exit velocities and Pache defense we should just make him the manager and keep him rolling with whatever he needs.
 
chop2chip said:
He’s not likely to be good enough this year to get a starting job next year, but if some team obliged for the next six years, Markakis would have a shot at 3,000 hits which used to be considered a golden ticket for the HOF, but in Neck’s case he wouldn’t stand a chance.
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My tongue was pretty much in my cheek with my earlier post. Markakis has sort of become Mark Kotsay. He'll be able to stick around for a few more years if he doesn't mind playing for beer money (or Ouzo money seeing he's Greek), but his days as a regular are pretty much over.
 
That passed ball and throwing error was big setting up that 3-run 8th before Markakis won it on the two out 9th inning walk off. If not for that we might have lost.
 
I missed the Markakis homer live, but seeing it now on replay showed me Markakis got a pinch he should've crushed and did. What a terrible batting practice hanger, 87 mph hanging splitter.
 
TURBO said:
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Need to see this 161 more times.
 
50PoundHead said:
My tongue was pretty much in my cheek with my earlier post. Markakis has sort of become Mark Kotsay. He'll be able to stick around for a few more years if he doesn't mind playing for beer money (or Ouzo money seeing he's Greek), but his days as a regular are pretty much over.
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Ohhh I understood what you meant fully. Didn’t mean to come across as I did. I just saw your tweet as more of an opportunity to share a random tidbit that surprises me whenever I see it brought up.
 
It's so fitting that an analytics organization suffered a loss due to overmanaging after years of saying how the manager is essentially meaningless. Even more ironic is that the over managing resulted from the analytics themselves.
 
Biggest concern to me after game 1 was Snitker. We overcame at least 2 major blunders for the win. It's game 1 so freaking out over managing decisions is kind of stupid but man how does a major league manager make the brothers/suzuki calls?
 
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