GDT 7/1

I think the place I'd say we have to get better is the bench. I honestly think it was historically terrible to start the year. If we have guys like arid comargo and Adams on the bench then we super upgrade
 
thethe said:
Because I'm a belever inTeheran /Folty/Newk. Having Dickey here for another season is great and I feel we can muster a fifth starter easily. Bullpen will be better with the promotions from the farm.

I don't see how the 2018 team is not a 85+ win team.
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Bc the corner of and 3b could be a total of 3 war or less? Bc catcher is super thin and maybe flowers isn't this good. Tehran could have an injury and newk could go back to 5 bob/9. Bc this team hasn't sniffed that level despite some good performances.

I'd love to see it. But I think wining that much means we are playing a lot of young guys and they are almost all really good
 
Russ2dollas said:
Maybe. But you can also get regression or injury. Hard to get excited about any coppy win now move based on his track record. I'd be excited about allard and soroka but worried it's too early and the service time.
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Win now move yes but the FA SP market this past offseason stunk. Granted not much better this upcoming offseason but its still better than last years. And of course Braves have prospects to trade for someone if that were to happen.
 
msstate7 said:
In sept '11, the braves had an 8.5 game lead in September.
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if Braves were around 4-5 games over now, i could maybe see it, they'd have to go on a huge run to get in.

Rockies may fade some but i dont see it where they totally miss out. Gray just got back, and their schedule gets easier soon.

2018 should be better depending what happens this winter.
 
talk to me about how good the record is AFTER July. If you look at the schedule it is brutal with 2 games against Houston, 4 against Washington, 6 games against Arizona, then there is the Dodgers for 4 games, the Cubs for 3, then start August with another 3 against the Dodgers. If we are close to .500 by the end of that 2nd Dodgers series then I will be happy to discuss 2017 with you.
 
depley said:
talk to me about how good the record is AFTER July. If you look at the schedule it is brutal with 2 games against Houston, 4 against Washington, 6 games against Arizona, then there is the Dodgers for 4 games, the Cubs for 3, then start August with another 3 against the Dodgers. If we are close to .500 by the end of that 2nd Dodgers series then I will be happy to discuss 2017 with you.
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Braves are going 17-8 in July.
 
Is 7.5 games really that much at the start of july when the team in front of you is the Rockies?

Braves pitching has improved and we are about to add Freeman to a struggling lineup. July will be tough but the Braves are actually improving as well.
 
We just need to get above .500 by the all star break. If we can do that maybe there is a chance. If not it will be extremely tough
 
2011 imo was the most complete team we had in the 2010's.

It was a shame we didn't stumbled in the otherwise I truly believe we could've done damage in October.
 
thewupk said:
Want to beat that the NL playoff teams will be the Rockies, Dodgers, Dbacks, Nats and winner of Brewers/Cubs?
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Sure, why not? If nothing else, I'll take a chance the cards win the central... currently 3.5 back. Mets playing better all-the-sudden too. What's the bet?
 
depley said:
talk to me about how good the record is AFTER July. If you look at the schedule it is brutal with 2 games against Houston, 4 against Washington, 6 games against Arizona, then there is the Dodgers for 4 games, the Cubs for 3, then start August with another 3 against the Dodgers. If we are close to .500 by the end of that 2nd Dodgers series then I will be happy to discuss 2017 with you.
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The July schedule is tough but maybe not as tough as some people believe. The gnats have some key players on the DL and severe bullpen problems. The Cubs are not the Cubs of 2016. And I have some doubts about Arizona being capable of sustaining the kind of results they had in the first half.
 
nsacpi said:
The July schedule is tough but maybe not as tough as some people believe. The gnats have some key players on the DL and severe bullpen problems. The Cubs are not the Cubs of 2016. And I have some doubts about Arizona being capable of sustaining the kind of results they had in the first half.
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All those teams listed are legit playoff teams and will be fixing their short comings in real ways over the next 30-45 days.

The Braves are not a legit playoff team and the dog's breakfast of a June schedule, where the Braves played almost all of the very worst teams in baseball, teams who know what they want to do which is lose games, doesn't change anything. I posted before the month started what was going to happen (and it did almost exactly), where the Braves would climb back close to .500 and everyone would start losing their minds about how 2017 might actually be worthwhile, simply because everyone wants it to be true so badly.

Next on the agenda is the idea to be floated that if only Freddie had been healthy (never mind that Adams covered for him well and Freddie couldn't have supplied much more than Adams did during that time) and that Kemp gets healthy and that now that Colon is gone and now that Newk is up and pitching well and on and on that this team would be a legit threat....if only the FO would go trade real assets to rent Moustakas...yada, yada.

This is a 75 win team at best.
 
I have no idea how we'll play in July. We could go 0-for, above .500, or anything in between. I do know that all the definitive statements here about a July collapse were the same ones that said we were headed to the 1st pick when FF got hurt. A lot of you were wrong then and you just might be again
 
Heyward said:
Hard to fathom it can be worse but i guess you never know in baseball.

A rotation of Newk, Folty, Julio, FA/trade SP, and Dickey or someone else is alot better than what we had to start the year.
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While all our expectations are higher for him, let's not get too carried away here. If you throw out one bad outing (on June 25th in 2015), four of Wisler's first five starts lasted 8, 5.1, 5.2, and 6 innings (against the Mutts and Gnats, and at Miller Park and Coors Field), and he gave up a total of 6 earned runs in those 4 appearances.

We all hope (and expect, I dare say) Newcomb's story is going to turn out much differently, but let's not get ahead of ourselves after four solid starts just yet.
 
Sat, Jul 1 @ 4:05 PM Oakland
Sun, Jul 2 @ 4:05 PM Oakland
Tue, Jul 4 vs 7:35 PM Houston
Wed, Jul 5 vs 7:35 PM Houston
Thu, Jul 6 @ 7:05 PM Washington
Fri, Jul 7 @ 7:05 PM Washington
Sat, Jul 8 @ 4:05 PM Washington
Sun, Jul 9 @ 1:35 PM Washington
Fri, Jul 14 vs 7:35 PM Arizona
Sat, Jul 15 vs 7:10 PM Arizona
Sun, Jul 16 vs 1:35 PM Arizona
Mon, Jul 17 vs 7:35 PM Cubs
Tue, Jul 18 vs 7:35 PM Cubs
Wed, Jul 19 vs 12:10 PM Cubs
Thu, Jul 20 @ 10:10 PM LA Dodgers
Fri, Jul 21 @ 10:10 PM LA Dodgers
Sat, Jul 22 @ 9:10 PM LA Dodgers
Sun, Jul 23 @ 4:10 PM LA Dodgers
Mon, Jul 24 @ 9:40 PM Arizona
Tue, Jul 25 @ 9:40 PM Arizona
Wed, Jul 26 @ 3:40 PM Arizona
Fri, Jul 28 @ 7:05 PM Philadelphia
Sat, Jul 29 @ 7:05 PM Philadelphia
Sun, Jul 30 @ 1:35 PM Philadelphia
Mon, Jul 31 @ 12:35 P Philadelphia
 
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