GDT 7/2 — Drew Says: Pescado Muerto!

clvclv said:
Which is fine (so long as he's not making $10 million per) - just another example of Snitker's ineptness. I don't think ANYBODY (Snitker included) could reasonably explain having him "hit" where he does in the Braves' order. Also another reason to make a trade sooner rather than later - you have to expect Heredia to turn into a pumpkin at some point, so just think how many rallies will be ended and games you'll cost yourself if Snitker's allowed to keep hitting Dansby there because "he'll eventually get it going and hit his way out of this"?

It doesn't have to be a trade for one of the most sought-after guys - if he can't get Gallo, Haniger, or Bryant that's OK. The problem is that you're not going to get more out of SS or Heredia or Almonte than you're already getting or have gotten. d'Arnaud's return may somewhat fix the black hole that Catcher has become lately, but that STILL leaves you with nothing in the lower-third of the lineup. We're talking about how we should make up ground over the next 8 games, but the schedule turns nasty after the break. Expecting Heredia, Almonte, and Contreras to have the "bottom feeding the top" against playoff-caliber teams is crazy.

If AA wants back in this, he's going to have to be open to slightly overpaying to get someone like Frazier or Seager (with Riley moving to LF) and potentially replacing Dansby with Arcia - even if it's just in the hope that it gets his attention and gets you the "old Dansby" back down the stretch and for the postseason.
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Seagar's numbers look similar to dansby's
 
thethe said:
What a shame about Soroka. Hopefully Ynoa can come back strong because going five deep like this will lead to 90+ wins.
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Hopefully when Ynoa comes back he can keep way out pitching his peripherals because those say he's had quite a bit of luck this year
 
msstate7 said:
Seagar's numbers look similar to dansby's
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Yeah... Seager and Dansby have been virtually identical this year. While he has the better track record... at 33 years old, he's not likely to improve substantially... if you want to have a look at Arcia, play him in left... but Seager is kind of a waste of resources at a large salary at this point.
 
zbhargrove said:
Smyly hasn't always been pretty... but he's at least turning into generally what we hoped he'd be
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His last two months have been solid - he's been a more than reliable No. 5 and borderline No. 4 quality. Hell, take out the Boston Red Sox outing (seven runs earned... and he was dealing until Snit left him in too long and it cost him four runs) and his numbers are really strong.
 
msstate7 said:
Seagar's numbers look similar to dansby's
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The reason for a move like that is that it arguably gives you a chance to improve multiple positions with one trade. Riley to LF would be a huge upgrade, Arcia potentially upgrades you at SS, and you don't lose anything with Seager at 3B - PLUS you add a LH bat (with power).
 
I see the Marlins are still good at playing the heel role well. What a bunch of clowns.

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clvclv said:
The reason for a move like that is that it arguably gives you a chance to improve multiple positions with one trade. Riley to LF would be a huge upgrade, Arcia potentially upgrades you at SS, and you don't lose anything with Seager at 3B - PLUS you add a LH bat (with power).
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There is nothing in Arcia's 1876 MLB plate appearances that says he will be anywhere close to an upgrade over Swanson... dude has torn up the minor's before... he was a top prospect. This is nothing new. If you think he's gonna come in and be an upgrade over Swanson, that's ridiculous.
 
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You have to sweep these clowns after their comments last night.

I noticed Miguel Rojas was getting in an umpire's face in the 1st inning last night, and then he makes that comment last night? Clown move.

If anyone gets hit today, Rojas should take a 99MPH fastball to the back in the 1st inning (if he hits that inning). Then you can throw warnings at both teams.
 
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zbhargrove said:
There is nothing in Arcia's 1876 MLB plate appearances that says he will be anywhere close to an upgrade over Swanson... dude has torn up the minor's before... he was a top prospect. This is nothing new. If you think he's gonna come in and be an upgrade over Swanson, that's ridiculous.
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Makes plenty of sense - continue to roll with Dansby, Heredia, and Almonte for the next month to six weeks and expect Waters and Pache to fix the outfield at that point.

Sound plan - will be interesting to see how far back you are after coming out of the break against the Rays, Padres, Phillies, Mutts, and Brewers. If you think Dansby, Heredia, and Almonte are going to make lots of noise against that level of pitching you haven't watched as much baseball as I thought.
 
Smyly turning the corner makes a lot of things better.

It's good the Braves have had such a depth of major league arms to weather yet another season of relatively unlucky pitching performances and health.
 
clvclv said:
Makes plenty of sense - continue to roll with Dansby, Heredia, and Almonte for the next month to six weeks and expect Waters and Pache to fix the outfield at that point.

Sound plan - will be interesting to see how far back you are after coming out of the break against the Rays, Padres, Phillies, Mutts, and Brewers. If you think Dansby, Heredia, and Almonte are going to make lots of noise against that level of pitching you haven't watched as much baseball as I thought.
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All this for Arcia, lol.
 
Southcack77 said:
All this for Arcia, lol.
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Not sure how you get that from anything discussed.

Riley in LF instead of Almonte with Seager at 3B is a pretty significant upgrade that has absolutely nothing to do with who's playing SS. You caught lightning in a bottle with Almonte for a couple weeks and that was great. Including the hit today, he's 5 for 29 since June 25th. If you expect to win with that kind of production coming from LF, you'd better significantly improve somewhere else.

If that improvement isn't coming at C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, RF, or CF, where do you recommend trying to improve? The rotation has done its job, and for as badly as Snitker butchers handling the pen, it hasn't been THAT BAD either - that can be fixed without a trade. They're not going to trade for a C, 1B, 2B, SS, RF, or CF, so "fix it" without trading for a LF (or moving Riley there). Chances are pretty good you're not getting Bryant, Gallo, Haniger, or Mancini at this point, and I'm not exactly going out on a limb when I say Almonte isn't going to suddenly start producing like a first division regular.

If you don't trade for Seager because of the money, that's fine - go get Frazier. You simply can't have Dansby, Heredia, Contreras, and Almonte hitting 6th-9th if you expect to make up ground over the next 6-8 weeks.
 
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clvclv said:
Makes plenty of sense - continue to roll with Dansby, Heredia, and Almonte for the next month to six weeks and expect Waters and Pache to fix the outfield at that point.

Sound plan - will be interesting to see how far back you are after coming out of the break against the Rays, Padres, Phillies, Mutts, and Brewers. If you think Dansby, Heredia, and Almonte are going to make lots of noise against that level of pitching you haven't watched as much baseball as I thought.
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In what fantasy world in your head did I ever say I want things to remain as they are? I was addressing your dumb comment that Dansby might be an upgrade over Arcia. Everything else you just babbled off had nothing to do with my comment. I guess Seager is the only person we can trade for in your brain? I am all about trading and upgrading... but your scenario is flat out dumb.
 
clvclv said:
Not sure how you get that from anything discussed.

Riley in LF instead of Almonte with Seager at 3B is a pretty significant upgrade that has absolutely nothing to do with who's playing SS. You caught lightning in a bottle with Almonte for a couple weeks and that was great. Including the hit today, he's 5 for 29 since June 25th. If you expect to win with that kind of production coming from LF, you'd better significantly improve somewhere else.

If that improvement isn't coming at C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, RF, or CF, where do you recommend trying to improve? The rotation has done its job, and for as badly as Snitker butchers handling the pen, it hasn't been THAT BAD either - that can be fixed without a trade. They're not going to trade for a C, 1B, 2B, SS, RF, or CF, so "fix it" without trading for a LF (or moving Riley there). Chances are pretty good you're not getting Bryant, Gallo, Haniger, or Mancini at this point, and I'm not exactly going out on a limb when I say Almonte isn't going to suddenly start producing like a first division regular.

If you don't trade for Seager because of the money, that's fine - go get Frazier. You simply can't have Dansby, Heredia, Contreras, and Almonte hitting 6th-9th if you expect to make up ground over the next 6-8 weeks.
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Dude no one is suggesting we should keep Almonte in the lineup. Your scenario is just dumb. Trade for a real difference maker who doesn’t have to change positions like Gallo. I just pointed out the obvious that Arcia will likely never be an upgrade over Swanson when you suggested he may be.

It’s like you don’t think there are any quality outfielders that we can trade for or something. It’s very bizarre.
 
zbhargrove said:
Dude no one is suggesting we should keep Almonte in the lineup. Your scenario is just dumb. Trade for a real difference maker who doesn’t have to change positions like Gallo. I just pointed out the obvious that Arcia will likely never be an upgrade over Swanson when you suggested he may be.

It’s like you don’t think there are any quality outfielders that we can trade for or something. It’s very bizarre.
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OK genius - name those outfielders.

Just remember to be realistic. As bad as the pieces AA has to trade have been, the likelihood that you can get these names is next to nothing, so take them off your list...

Marte (either of them)
Gallo
Haniger
Castellanos
Bryant
Mancini
Brian Reynolds
Frazier

Those teams would quickly hang up if the pieces you have to offer are what AA's playing with. Soroka, Ynoa, and Davidson aren't going to be dealt while they're hurt, and Pache, Waters, Wright, Touki, and Wilson have shown that they may very well not make it at the major league level as even "average" players, dinging their value significantly. You can't deal Muller since he's needed in the rotation. Without putting Michael Harris, Langeliers, and/or Strider in the deal, chances are pretty good you can cross the above names off your list. Those teams aren't going to be particularly interested in Shuster - they'll have a chance to draft someone as good as him in a few days.

Who are the "quality outfielders" you think will be significant upgrades that AREN'T listed above???
 
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