msstate7
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Pretty sure it'll be lf today, but I think I'd give dansby a day off at ss
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Pretty sure it'll be lf today, but I think I'd give dansby a day off at ss
msstate7
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Just need to get above .500, and hope AA gets us another bat before the stretch after the break imo
The problem with a trade for those types is that they don't exactly "upgrade" anything. Would they be better than Almonte and Panda? Maybe.
No reason to trade for guys who aren't SIGNIFICANTLY better than who you already have - that's just wasting resources. Peralta doesn't hit for power anymore, is bad defensively, can't play anywhere other than LF, costs a lot more than Almonte, PLUS ties up $7.5 million next year - meaning you're more or less still paying Inciarte for another year instead of spending that money to actually get better.
You're probably better off trying other options from within rather than trading for guys like that - they don't do much to make you better even if they're better than what you currently have. If you're trading when you're in AA's position you're looking for difference-makers, and those guys are more names than difference-makers.
Nobody expects Arcia to set the world on fire, but if he gives you more production than Almonte you at least have the option of using him (or Riley) in LF and at 3B. It's probably fair to wonder whether Panda's days on the roster may be in danger with Arcia up since Panda offers you absolutely nothing defensively and his early hot streak is over.
zbhargrove
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Those are exactly the ones I was thinking of... like I said... plenty. I don't care if you think we won't go for them or not. But I am being realistic that we can afford these guys. I'm not taking them off my list, no matter what you want to do. If we want to go with your "aquire more trash and move trash around a bit so we can have a deeper set of trash" method, I'd rather do nothing because there's no way its a playoff caliber team, much less a championship team.
Who do you think you're going to trade to get those guys? Prospects from other systems?
Post one realistic trade proposal for someone on that list. One.
zbhargrove
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OMG, we easily have the prospects to get a Gallo/Kennedy... Gallo won't be that expensive... he is controlled through 2022 but will be making a good bit going into arbitration next year. Any offer starts with Waters (and no, I'm not saying just Waters because I know that's how you'll read it... it will take a couple more real prospects).
Again... if you just want to do your acquire more trash and move said trash around method... what the hell is the point? I know you're trying to die on this hill but your idea was stupid. Just own it.
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50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think we could get Haniger at a reasonable price on a value basis, but he's been terrible for the last month after his torrid start. Players have streaks good and bad, so I don't know what to make of it. The problem is that Seattle is actually as close (maybe closer) to making the playoffs than we are, so I don't the Mariners are going to sell unless the bottom falls out for them. Add to that we have to get in a better position before we start considering whether to move resources to acquire guys.
Gallo is the guy for whom there will likely be a bidding war and I think the acquisition cost on him is going to be fairly high.
Gallo is the guy for whom there will likely be a bidding war and I think the acquisition cost on him is going to be fairly high.
zbhargrove
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No clv made it clear... the only person AA is allowed to trade for is Kyle Seager... it is literally the only option
Nice try - nothing close to what I said. I don't think he can get those on that list right now, that's true.
You're the one who thinks AA has the pieces to go get anyone on that list - offer up a trade proposal for ANY of them. Seriously, just one. Who do you think he can trade for today?
zbhargrove
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I don't think we have the pieces to get all of those guys... but a package that starts with Waters, one of our better pitching prospects and another piece or two will certainly get a discussion started for Gallo, Frazier, or Haniger. Mancini isn't realistic as he really can't play in the field. He needs to be on an AL team. Reynolds isn't a serious option for anyone... no way in hell Pirates are trading him. I don't know what to think about Bryant but his salary likely will keep him from being an option even if he's traded (with his salary if you think he will be expensive as a rental, you're crazy). I doubt Castellanos gets traded.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Just my meaningless input but I doubt any team other than Atlanta values Waters at this point in time. Same for Pache (or maybe less). Rangers biggest void by far is pitching and IMO we cant give up anyone of significance until the healings are complete.
If Mancini could finish the year without fatigue would have a lot of interest to me with the DH coming next year and him being affordable' again with pitching going the other way.
If Mancini could finish the year without fatigue would have a lot of interest to me with the DH coming next year and him being affordable' again with pitching going the other way.
zbhargrove
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I'm a bit down on Waters, but he still has plenty of value. He's a 22 year old in AAA with loud tools and showing some signs of life and has improved his walk rate significantly. He's dealt with some nagging injury issues this year which could explain some of the struggles. He's still a top 50 prospect extremely young for his level.
Tapate50
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Right. He’s fine. Prospects struggle.
The problem with trying to make any deal with Texas right now is that they don't "need" to move anyone. They have additional revenue coming in from their new park and their current payroll is LESS THAN $95 million even though they're paying $12 million plus for Odor and Kluber to play for the Yankees and Andrus $1 million to play in Oakland. Their most valuable player is a SP signed to a significantly below-market deal through NEXT season (just as Gallo is), and they've got a back-end bullpen guy who will be due around $1 million the rest of the season to offer contenders as well.
They're in position to hit homeruns with all three of their trade pieces IF they decide to trade them, and no financial pressure to deal ANY of them if they choose not to. Daniels has quietly put himself in a really good position.
Southcack77
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They're a franchise that's going nowhere with assets that only decrease in value as they age and draw nearer free agency.
No one is paying much for rentals any more and there should be fewer buyers than usual.
If they want to get one useful thing for Gallo they'd probably want to do it now when he doesn't suck as bad as last year and no one is maki g much contact.
Or they can be the Tigers or Royals about it.