GDT: 9/8 Marlins (Sanchez) at Braves (Wright)
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UNCBlue012
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The Phillies lost the second game of the DH
salmagundy
Boras' Client
It doesn't look any better for Wed game. Milone going for Braves vs Lopez for Fish.
salmagundy
Boras' Client
And then the Nats facing Voth, Fedde, Corbin and Scherzer
Tomlin going against Fedde and Anderson vs Corbin. Other Braves starters not announced.
Tomlin going against Fedde and Anderson vs Corbin. Other Braves starters not announced.
Uh what?
It remains to be seen how Pache, Waters, and Contreras end up. But the previous position guys Acuna, Albies, Riley, and Swanson all seem to be doing pretty well at the moment.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
agree.
By all accounts Pache has gotten a lot better. Maybe he's just getting older. But the guy hadn't hit any HRs two years ago.
Contreras looked much better in the SSS he was up this year.
Waters I think people are now underselling. He's a very young for his level guy who is going to be plus in a corner on defense. People seem to really like his swing and tools. Yes he is more doubles than HRs. Yes the babip his high. Yes his approach needs work. But he's still a very young guy who has performed. He's a consensus top 100 prospect. He has time to improve. I'm not calling him a star, but there is a chance he could quickly be an above average regular with upside and improve on the Neck/Duvall platoon. I wouldn't bet on that, but I would bet that he can be a 1.5+ WAR player in the next couple of years with upside to do much more in his mid 20s.
Folks need to realize that Waters is a good prospect...that's it...a good prospect. He has all the concerns every good prospect has about whether or not he will develop into a MLB player.
Good prospects bust often. Good prospects go on to be stars in many cases. Good prospects end up being generic MLB players most of the time. Waters can take all those paths, and that's why he is a good prospect.
What Waters is NOT is another top prospect at the level of guys like Swanson, Acuna and Albies. Those guys were surefire, 100% guaranteed, no doubt about it, future MLB contributors with a ceiling for much more. I would argue Pache is almost in that category as well, but his offensive questions probably puts him in a tier below those 3 studs.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Agree Enscheff.
With all that, I would not have sent him to Texas for Lynn, even they paid all of lynn's money this year. So maybe I'm too high on him.
I still think people have to expect potential salary Armageddon next year and maybe the following year with labor issues. IF AA has to really go on the cheap he probably needs to have the OF of Waters, Pache, Acuna in his back pocket. It is probably too early for Waters and maybe Pache. But that outfield should be sick defensively. And there is a lot of upside in the young guys. And Waters does hit better from the left side.
If we have to go super cheap, we lose Ozuna. So I could very well see a Waters, Pache, Acuna OF and a trade for Peralta from Arizona to replace Ozuna. Then you can focus all of your money on the rotation. Amazing if that happens. We did an entire rebuild around pitching and we may end up with position prospects bailing us out why we spend on pitching (plus Fried and hopefully Soroka).
While you all may hate this plan, know I do not love it. I hope it does not happen. But I can see this as AA's fallback plan because it gives him people making the minimum at LF, CF, 3B, backup catcher and bench. Cost controlled guys at RF, SS, 2B, and rotation. If you get a guy like Peralta you get a solid bat making 10 million less than Ozuna who can play enough OF to rest others or get another year of control out of waters. Also covers you if the DH isn't in the NL next year b/c peralta can play D.
I'm expecting super cheapness and many angry players. Collusion threats and billionaires crying poverty.
With all that, I would not have sent him to Texas for Lynn, even they paid all of lynn's money this year. So maybe I'm too high on him.
I still think people have to expect potential salary Armageddon next year and maybe the following year with labor issues. IF AA has to really go on the cheap he probably needs to have the OF of Waters, Pache, Acuna in his back pocket. It is probably too early for Waters and maybe Pache. But that outfield should be sick defensively. And there is a lot of upside in the young guys. And Waters does hit better from the left side.
If we have to go super cheap, we lose Ozuna. So I could very well see a Waters, Pache, Acuna OF and a trade for Peralta from Arizona to replace Ozuna. Then you can focus all of your money on the rotation. Amazing if that happens. We did an entire rebuild around pitching and we may end up with position prospects bailing us out why we spend on pitching (plus Fried and hopefully Soroka).
While you all may hate this plan, know I do not love it. I hope it does not happen. But I can see this as AA's fallback plan because it gives him people making the minimum at LF, CF, 3B, backup catcher and bench. Cost controlled guys at RF, SS, 2B, and rotation. If you get a guy like Peralta you get a solid bat making 10 million less than Ozuna who can play enough OF to rest others or get another year of control out of waters. Also covers you if the DH isn't in the NL next year b/c peralta can play D.
I'm expecting super cheapness and many angry players. Collusion threats and billionaires crying poverty.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I think 3rd quarter financials will be very telling as to what happens next year. With no certainty that there will be baseball (at least normal baseball) in 2021 Liberty may very well punt on 2021 regardless of what MLB decides to do.
Southcack77
Well-known member
I think a little much was made of 100 PAs in AAA at Age 20, but I agree with the general idea that prospects are risky commodities.
Most of the guys that everyone doesn't agree are no doubt players are going to disappoint. I think there probably is not a consensus on Waters, so odds are he may disappoint.
It's important though to understand that the following was written after his short AAA stint last season and nothing has happened since that time (except maybe Kiley left for ESPN and was higher on him than Eric).
2. Drew Waters, CFVideo
Drafted: 2nd Round, 2017 from Etowah HS (GA) (ATL)
Age 21.1 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 183 Bat / Thr S / R FV 55
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/60 55/60 40/50 60/60 45/50 60/60
Waters’ initial rise to top 50 prospect status was surprising to some, coming as it did by the end of his first full season. He’s got 55-to-60 grade tools across the board and always hit in high school. Some teams were and remain turned off by his loud personality, while others just see him as a colorful guy. The other concern is his aggressive approach at the plate, which didn’t give him any trouble until his taste of Triple-A late in 2019, and some scouts and analysts think it could be a problem in the big leagues.
That’s the soft part of the profile, but the indicators both to the eye (scouts rave about the swing, bat speed, and feel at the plate) and in the stats point to elite ability to manipulate the bat. One club told us his percentage of balls hit with 95 mph-plus exit velo and a launch angle between 10 and 30 degrees (i.e. hard hit line drives and fly balls) was in the top 3% of the entire minor leagues. And that comes as a 20-year-old in the upper minors who has plus speed and a plus arm, and who profiles in center field, with other variables that could allow you to keep rounding up from there. The happy version of this story is Starling Marte, and as soon as the middle of 2020; the sad version includes multiple years stuck in neutral at the big league level, trying to argue that the upside and defense makes up for the big strikeout rate. We’re leaning more to Marte at this point.
I'm not posting that to say he's going to be a superstar. I'm just pointing out what makes him an exciting prospect. That seems to have gotten lost a bit. I know some of the talk was about what how ready he would be for the majors right now. But there was a lot of talk about him having light power and an inordinate K rate and I don't think his record really suggests that will necessarily be the case. 100 AAA PA at 20 are not at all enough.
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jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Epic reverse-jinx.
he's never hit for a ton of power tho and his k-rate and k/bb ratio have never been good. add in his absurd BABIPs and i think you've got an especially risky profile.
that said, i wouldn't disagree with any of this.
i think he has potential to be a star and he could easily be a guy who grows into more HR power. happens all the time.