chop2chip
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Everyone on the board wants this regime to die, you are not a traitor if you’re against what it will cost to achieve it.
Global Events & Politics Überthread
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acesfull86
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I love the new standard we’ve established for involving ourselves in foreign conflicts.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
In defense of thethe, his first couple of posts on the subject said he doesn’t want boots on the ground. Others may see it differently but that’s where my line normally is as well, punitive raids good, occupation and land war bad. It’s also why I think most of the time the Army funding should be reduced and redirected to Air Force and Navy. Having a sports car makes it much more tempting to speed.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
As possibly the last card-carrying neocon I'm ok with this. Even if the regime in Iran is not toppled, it will be weakened.
I think we all agree folks like Maduro and Khatami are bad and have had destabilizing and damaging effects on their neighbors. To remove or weaken them is as solid a goal as I can think of in foreign policy.
I think we all agree folks like Maduro and Khatami are bad and have had destabilizing and damaging effects on their neighbors. To remove or weaken them is as solid a goal as I can think of in foreign policy.
The cascading impacts of a destroyed Iranian regime will bring so much benefit to the western world. I can’t understand being against it b
chop2chip
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Fine. Then state your support for the war.
It’s already been so exhausting to see MAGA do the semantics game (“it’s just an operation”) to reconcile their previous positions.
Islamist regime in Iran will not survive this and I think it’ll be quicker than most think. The battle to stabilize the country will take a while.
I support using our military to achieve noble goals if no Americans die or we have boots on the ground.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think it is pretty unclear how this is going to go. I can't think of any air campaign that has achieved regime change. If it does great, but I have some doubts. The regime in Iran lost the support of its people long ago and I hope they are able to replace it with something better.
We have a ground force there that is super motivated to take the country back. Destabilize the leadership and it will happen.
Israeli and US forces have been arming and training a resistance force for quite some time.
Global terror is primarily funded by Iran
zbhargrove
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If we can get Iranian regime change without boots on the ground, hard to be too upset about it. Hoping for the best.
I promise you that will never happen.
If we go into a recession, they knew Trump's economic policies would do this.
If we have the boom you're predicting, we'll hear the baseball pitcher ERA nonsense again
chop2chip
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Air campaign will not achieve the objective of regime change or stabilizing Iran.
If that’s the goal, then we’ll need a ground campaign at some point.
If folks are against “boots on the ground” then they should at the very least understand why many oppose getting involved in the first place. If you support a ground campaign because you believe in the objective, then I can respect that.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Yeah funneling weapons to puppets and various actions that have been taken against them have to have worn them down some. The US military is also exploiting electronic warfare capabilities lately that are hard for anyone to overcome. But lucky shots from just tossing ordnance into the air can happen. It took down a stealth fighter in the Serbian war.
Iranians will have to take back their country. We’ve been training and arming resistance forces and I’d expect that to escalate from outside the country