Grading the Braves' Four-seam Fastballs (FA)

No idea who told him to throw so many SIs, but now someone is informing these guys about which pitches are best.

Now if only they can get Fried to switch to a SI...
 
Enscheff said:
No idea who told him to throw so many SIs, but now someone is informing these guys about which pitches are best.

Now if only they can get Fried to switch to a SI...
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It seems like we have had a plethora of guys who have made positive adjustments under the current regime, some of the adjustments being ones that you explicitly suggested. So I think I am more hopeful of the Braves being able to fix Fried than I was last year.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm pretty sure someone told Wisler to throw more stinkers (i meant sinkers but will leave the typo) two or three years ago...terrible advice
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Right. What he needs is the change for LH hitters. Until that is a repeatable skill, all gains are short-lived and illusory.
 
BeanieAntics said:
It seems like we have had a plethora of guys who have made positive adjustments under the current regime, some of the adjustments being ones that you explicitly suggested. So I think I am more hopeful of the Braves being able to fix Fried than I was last year.
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It's worth repeating again and again. Coppygate will be the best thing to happen to our rebuild.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Right. What he needs is the change for LH hitters. Until that is a repeatable skill, all gains are short-lived and illusory.
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yeah...i think last night his slider was so good he and Suzuki ditched the change...but he's gonna need to use it...not a lot...maybe 10% of the time
 
nsacpi said:
yeah...i think last night his slider was so good he and Suzuki ditched the change...but he's gonna need to use it...not a lot...maybe 10% of the time
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Yeah hopefully the nerds in the FO have identified this balance and relayed the information to the coaches, Suzuki, and Wisler. If he could find a nice balance between the FA (maybe 45%), the SL (40%), and then 7.5% for the CH and CU he can turn his career around. It honestly baffles me that the previous regime was so bad at identifying optimal sequencing. You would think that if your idea behind the rebuild was to stockpile pitching, you would be on top of things like that.
 
BeanieAntics said:
Yeah hopefully the nerds in the FO have identified this balance and relayed the information to the coaches, Suzuki, and Wisler. If he could find a nice balance between the FA (maybe 45%), the SL (40%), and then 7.5% for the CH and CU he can turn his career around. It honestly baffles me that the previous regime was so bad at identifying optimal sequencing. You would think that if your idea behind the rebuild was to stockpile pitching, you would be on top of things like that.
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Well, the problem was they thought they WERE on top of it. They were too dumb to realize they were dumb...as is typically the case for dumb people (lots of evidence readily available around here).

They were the Atlanta Braves, pitching factory of the 90s. They knew all there was to know about pitching, as evidenced by their HOF trio. Pitching was the Braves Way.

Turns out they didn't really know **** about ****, despite what their defenders around here constantly tried to argue.
 
Enscheff said:
Well, the problem was they thought they WERE on top of it. They were too dumb to realize they were dumb...as is typically the case for dumb people (lots of evidence readily available around here).

They were the Atlanta Braves, pitching factory of the 90s. They knew all there was to know about pitching, as evidenced by their HOF trio. Pitching was the Braves Way.

Turns out they didn't really know **** about ****, despite what their defenders around here constantly tried to argue.
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I wonder how many times someone from our coaching staff or front office would eyeball a pitch and say to themselves "Wow that is a great pitch!" when in reality the data puts that pitch at like a 40 grade. I know that my eyes can't be trusted for things like that. I have seen pitches that 'look' amazing only to find out that its a well below average pitch. I can't say for sure that the previous regime was this basic in their approach to evaluating our pitching core, but it seems like one of the more obvious explanations for their shortcomings.
 
I blurb at TC: "Wisler showed renewed verve using a different release point"

Is this true?

Here's an chart of Wisler's release points in 2017:

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vs last night:

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Does moving his release point by less than an inch make any real difference? No idea, but I'm inclined to credit pitch selection for his success moreso than about a half inch change in release point.
 
Enscheff said:
I blurb at TC: "Wisler showed renewed verve using a different release point"

Is this true?

Here's an chart of Wisler's release points in 2017:

Does moving his release point by less than an inch make any real difference? No idea, but I'm inclined to credit pitch selection for his success moreso than about a half inch change in release point.
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I assume the much tighter cluster in the second graph is more likely a function of the data set (one night v many) than a reflection of better or more consistent mechanics?
 
Enscheff said:
I blurb at TC: "Wisler showed renewed verve using a different release point"

Is this true?

Here's an chart of Wisler's release points in 2017:

2M5L3nv.png


vs last night:

6wLN2mP.png


Does moving his release point by less than an inch make any real difference? No idea, but I'm inclined to credit pitch selection for his success moreso than about a half inch change in release point.
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I am amazed that release point data is in the public sphere. The amount and depth of data that is available for analysis now is just overwhelming.
 
jpx7 said:
I assume the much tighter cluster in the second graph is more likely a function of the data set (one night v many) than a reflection of better or more consistent mechanics?
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That's still several pitches at a release point that didn't show up last year. What dose this mean? More downward plane on his slider? Less horizontal movement?

His slider looked more like a curve in his last start.
 
thethe said:
That's still several pitches at a release point that didn't show up last year. What dose this mean? More downward plane on his slider? Less horizontal movement?

His slider looked more like a curve in his last start.
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Yeah, higher arm slot should result in more vertical movement and less horizontal movement, assuming everything else remained the same.
 
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