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Grilli Close To Being Moved???
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chipchildress
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trading grilli for peanuts would be idiotic. only way the braves should consider moving him now is for a handsome return. this guy helps this team this year...yes, they are still in contention and missing their best player and helps next year's teams which stands to have a reasonable shot at a wild card. in other words, grilli could be a nice piece for a team next year that could be making a run at the world series. keep him and win as much as you can. the team needs to learn how to win this year to keep improving going forward.
Heyward
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So we should trade him for the first trade offer possible when he has a team friendly deal?
keithlaw
Playing the Waiting Game
Agreed, unless they're boiled.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Braves should trade both Johnson and Grilli before the deadline and get the best return possible. Grilli may be signed past this year but he also getting older and more likely to start declining soon. If we keep him and he declines the second half or first half next year we'll be wishing we'd traded him now. I am betting on some decline with him so I'd certainly trade him by the deadline. I'd also certainly trade Johnson because the reason we signed him was mostly to improve his stock and trade him later. Stick to the plan.
striker42
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It makes no sense to trade Grilli for a marginal prospect. None. It's not like he's in the last year of his deal and we're nowhere near contention. We don't have to trade him. Maybe we compete next year and he's setting up for a new closer. He could still be of use.
So I wouldn't trade him unless I got value back. No one would give up their top guy but maybe we can nab someone's #4 or #5 prospect, especially if they're blocked.
So I wouldn't trade him unless I got value back. No one would give up their top guy but maybe we can nab someone's #4 or #5 prospect, especially if they're blocked.
Exactly. A marginal prospect does very little for this team moving forward. It if was this time last year I would have a different take.
zbhargrove
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I want to read about the advertised topic. You're not a Braves fan... You go away.
Although this makes more sense for 3 month rentals. Trading for someone in advance of the deadline gives that much longer to make an impact on your team. And the team trading him should therefore get a slightly better return. That being said if you do wait there coud be several teams going after him that you could play off of each other.
The FO has done a good job with trades this year so I suspect they will do the right thing with Grili whether it's soon or at the deadline.
NinersSBChamps
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Grilli could close for the Braves next season. If the return isn't very good there isn't a reason to trade him. Some low level pitching prospect would be the likely return and it seems like we just don't have enough of those in the system.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
If you have multiple teams interested, then give them a deadline and take the best proposal, if it is acceptable.
Then you make Johnson the closer and feature him there hopefully showing he can still close, then move him at the deadline.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Good idea.
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
Yes because a guy who completely blew as a closer last season can all of a sudden convince the rest of the league he's a closer again in a couple weeks.
Not happening.
We just finished talking about how and .800+ OPS at SS with great speed and defense is comparable to a .880+ OPS at 1B without speed or defense. So I don't see how I'm underestimating Freeman, and especially not vastly so, by saying they're comparable.
Albies can be a guy who consistently puts up 4-5 WAR. It's disingenuous to say Freeman is better than that right now.
Yes, and I only expect Albies to hit .800+ very seldom, so I expect him to be more of a high 3, low 4WAR guy consistently. Freeman I expect to be a high 4 low 5 guy for the next several years. You are just way inflating the importance of Freeman's first two years in the league (and he is no longer that hitter), where I see him as the guy who posted a 5 war season in 2013 and was on pace for another before injuries derailed his season this year. Like I said, you just see Freeman as a much lower quality hitter than I do, we are just arguing semantics at this point, and time will tell on Freddie.
I mean, it's not like Freddie has maxed his potential either at this point, he could easily hit for a little more power and be a 25-28 HR guy in the next few years, which would make him a low .900s OPS guy and a 6+ WAR guy.
No. Worst case scenario, the difference between what we think of Freeman is pretty small. And the difference is really in what we think going forward. I think Freeman is a 4ish WAR guy on average and that Albies will be roughly that. If Freeman becomes more than that routinely, I won't be surprised. He's really good.
But regardless, arguing that Albies will only be a 3-4 WAR guy vs. Freeman as a 4-5 WAR guy and using that to say Albies will never be Freeman is a bit much. It's all projection. Freeman could fall off and Albies could become a HOFer. Who the heck knows.
But regardless, arguing that Albies will only be a 3-4 WAR guy vs. Freeman as a 4-5 WAR guy and using that to say Albies will never be Freeman is a bit much. It's all projection. Freeman could fall off and Albies could become a HOFer. Who the heck knows.
And IF it does, you're looking at a ceiling of Rafael Furcal as a MI. Again, nothing close to what Freeman's ceiling was (and still is). There's absolutely nothing bad about that whatsoever - pairing him with Simmons, Peterson, or Peraza up the middle would give you a classic middle infield combination - but let's not get nuts here.
Comparing Albies to Freeman as a prospect is something Shanks would do simply because he's high on Law or someone else's list.
As I see it trading Grilli Johnson and Avilan should be on the table, and maybe Maybin. Grilli is traded you move Viscaino into the closer role, Johnson is traded, you use Banuelos or/both Folty the rest of the year out of the pen, then next spring back to starting, then McKirahan takes over for Avilan.
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