It's like right around the 10th highest in average annual value. So I tend to disagree there.
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It's like right around the 10th highest in average annual value. So I tend to disagree there.
That's comparing it to all contracts currently signed and not what current players would get on the open market. McCutchen is only going to make 13 and 14 million the next two seasons but is going to get like $30 million when he hits FA or resigns with the Pirates. So just saying he currently has the 10th highest AAV isn't really saying much when A+ players are clearly getting 30 million right now when their time comes.
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*It will be interesting to see if the Braves flip newly acquired outfielder Ender Inciarte, who is under club control for the next five seasons.
Inciarte, 25, was the eighth-toughest player to strike out in the majors last season and a combined plus-34 in defensive runs saved at the three outfield positions.
The Cubs, one of a number teams that inquired on Inciarte after the D-backs traded him to the Braves, seem more inclined to trade for a starting pitcher, dangling outfielder Jorge Soler or, perhaps less likely, infielder Javier Baez.
Still, if the Cubs acquired Inciarte to play center with Heyward in right, they perhaps could live more easily with Kyle Schwarber in left. Keep in mind, too, that the Cubs have numerous prospects to trade behind Soler and Baez; one scout said third baseman Jeimer Candelario was the best hitter in the Arizona Fall League.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...terchangeable-relievers-doesn-t-add-up-121315
I'd probably do it for Soler straight up, but it's risky.
Inciarte, 25, was the eighth-toughest player to strike out in the majors last season and a combined plus-34 in defensive runs saved at the three outfield positions.
The Cubs, one of a number teams that inquired on Inciarte after the D-backs traded him to the Braves, seem more inclined to trade for a starting pitcher, dangling outfielder Jorge Soler or, perhaps less likely, infielder Javier Baez.
Still, if the Cubs acquired Inciarte to play center with Heyward in right, they perhaps could live more easily with Kyle Schwarber in left. Keep in mind, too, that the Cubs have numerous prospects to trade behind Soler and Baez; one scout said third baseman Jeimer Candelario was the best hitter in the Arizona Fall League.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...terchangeable-relievers-doesn-t-add-up-121315
I'd probably do it for Soler straight up, but it's risky.
Think I'd have to pass, but that's just me - since we seem to be "smitten" with Soler (as one report suggested) The Johns might consider it. Just not sold enough on Soler and his high K-Rate and shaky (to put it nicely) defense. If they'd expand it to Teheran and Inciarte for Soler, Candelario, Eloy Jimenez, and one of Pierce Johnson or Dylan Cease I'd jerk their arms off though.
bravesfanMatt
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I like eloy. He is so blocked in the outfield too. There was a tweet saying something like hart thinks soler+ if they want ender. I like a deadline deal with mallex and pitching for some of their crop that is blocked. Like eloy.
Eloy is young if I remember. So he may be always away. Can't remember though.
I agree. No reason to trade Inciarte unless it's a clear overpay. He brings a ton of value to a team like us because he is cheap and can play all OF positions well.
If we were to explore a trade with the Cubs centered around Inciarte, I'd like to see the Cubbies get a 3rd team involved somehow that would take Swisher or Bourn.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
It's not. It's tied for 23rd all time. If you throw out Clemens and A-Rod's first contract with the Rangers and Greinke's now voided contract, then he'd be tied for 20th. Heyward's AAV is tied with Joe Mauer (signed in 2011) and CC Sabathia (signed in 2009) and behidn Fielder (Signed in 2012)
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Nope. That's just bad logic. Heyward could easily have a backloaded contract as most players in baseball do. I'm looking at AAV, or I could look at Total contract, doesn't really matter. You're assuming the Cubs are gonna pay him his AAV every season. Odds are he'll make around 20M if not less his first year. Because that's how basically every contract in baseball is structured. You pay less to start then more at the end. Odds are Heyward's deal is similar.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
It is possible, but it's highly unlikely. Find any free agent who's AAV is equal to his yearly salary, it's a really small list. Even the guys who wind up in the ball park like Greinke still make less their first year or 2. So odds are his contract at the most would be 22M per year, which according to the same source I'm assuming you use would make him at least around 20. (Spotrac doesn't include Josh Hamilton FYI)
And Heyward is one of the 20 best players in baseball, certainly one of the 20 best players to hit the open market (which would exclude guys like Trout, Harper, Stanton, Donaldson, Freeman, etc.)
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I like Almora and happ. They can hit and defend though prob 10 hr power.
I like zagunis if they think he can catch. Like less as an of but still like him
Candelario could be a3b this yr. defense there and he'll hit better
I don't want swisher or Bourne to lower our return. That money is spent. If we save it we are not using it on anyone. Just let it get spent and go away. Get the most talent you can.
I think if you move inciarte you want soler plus a guy you think could be a cf this year. That's Almora for me
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I'm still not getting the infatuation with Soler. Looks like Francoeur Part Deux from his stat line.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Much more patient than Jf in minors. Controlled power bat who is projected to have a solid avg and obj. Potential to have plus d but has been bad so far. Sample size not great but tools.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
He has power and contact potential Frenchy couldn't even dream of. Frenchy's minor league numbers never even came close to what Soler has done. And the speed in which his homers leave the stadium are matched by only a few.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Soler's big league contact rate stunk and his walk rate was miserable and yet, it's going to get better?
zbhargrove
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Well he's 23 with barely 400 major league at bats under his belt, so yes... If he's willing to work it most certainly should.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Well, no one ever thought Francoeur didn't work hard, but it didn't get better for him. Just color me skeptical.
His walk rate was not miserable. It was decent.
He does not have plus defensive potential, not even close.
He's not a great runner (and that will get worse), he has an ok arm, and his defense will likely never even approach average.
His value is completely in his bat. And his potential there is good, but at some point he has to start putting it together. He had one good year in the minors and that's pretty much it.
It's interesting, though, that people seem to view him as having 'insane' potential just because of his bat even though his deficiencies in every other part of the game actually keep his ceiling low, while people down Heyward for not being great even though he's likely better now than Soler is ever capable of becoming.