Southcack77
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I don't think they should have brought him up, but on the other hand the idea that he is someone the franchise is going to need to worry about in six years is possibly getting ahead of ourselves.
Is it too much to ask?
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I don't think they should have brought him up, but on the other hand the idea that he is someone the franchise is going to need to worry about in six years is possibly getting ahead of ourselves.
I agree with the original poster wondering when will someone important step up. Wisler did early in the season, Folty tried at times. Finally both took a nice simultaneous short step this week. I'll be thrilled if they both can tack on a few more starts like those to close out the season.
nsacpi
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It would be great if they finished strongly. But it is already clear to me that those two have the talent to contribute to a contending team. They still have some learning to do, but the talent is there.
Agreed. It is pretty clear guys like Folty, Wisler and Newcomb are considerably more talented than guys line Whalen, Perez, Jenkins and Blair. The talented guys need to be given the chance to figure things out. The other guys need to be allowed to fill in as required, but they shouldn't be relied on for anything.
msstate7
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Coming into this year wasn't Blair ranked more along the lines of your first group than your second?
zbhargrove
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He certainly was... he was a top 50 prospect in all of baseball by some publications. I think his awful year has masked how good of prospect he is and at 24 years old he still has a narrow window to figure it out. I think its mechanical and in his head... not an issue of his stuff.
MadduxFanII
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Foltynewicz is at least doing some things right. He's striking some guys out, his walk rate is actually quite solid and so the strikeout/walk ratio is pretty impressive. His big issue so far has been giving up home runs like they come five to a nickel from a gum ball machine. But that's sort of what you expect from a talented young pitcher- he does some things right, he struggles in some areas and there's plenty of promise to see.
The problem with guys like Wisler, Blair and Jenkins is that they haven't really done anything right. They've pretty much just gotten their heads kicked in. The sample size is small, so no one should advocate tossing these guys in the dumpster, but you'd like to see at least something you can point to and say, "Well, at least he's got [x] down."
The problem with guys like Wisler, Blair and Jenkins is that they haven't really done anything right. They've pretty much just gotten their heads kicked in. The sample size is small, so no one should advocate tossing these guys in the dumpster, but you'd like to see at least something you can point to and say, "Well, at least he's got [x] down."
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Wisler's stuff is pretty good. He will be always prone to the long ball. What he has to do imo is whittle down the walk rate, so that the most of the home runs are solo shots. Not that his current walk rate is high, but it needs to be at an elite level. That's the key for fly ball pitchers. Plus he, like Folty, is still learning the mental aspect of pitching. Maintaining their focus after something bad happens. This has been his age 23 season. Plenty of time to figure things out.
What I especially like about both Wisler and Folty is that they both maintain their stuff deep into games. Once they figure it out, they are going to be innings eaters.
What I especially like about both Wisler and Folty is that they both maintain their stuff deep into games. Once they figure it out, they are going to be innings eaters.
nsacpi
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He's got to do that too. Right now he's at 6.6 and 2.7 for strikeout and walk rates. I'd like to see him somewhere along the lines of 7.0 and 2.0. Teheran is at 7.9 and 2.0 this year.
chop2chip
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Matt Cain and Jered Weaver are probably the closest examples, but both of them had good walk rates and were good at suppressing home runs.
Yeah, Weaver is a good example, though he wasn't able to maintain his success long term once his K rate started dropping. He had a nice 2 year run with a sub 7 K rate though. Cain's career K rate is right around 7.5 though, he's right about where you need to be to have success as a flyball guy, same as Julio.
Keep in mind the Braves should not be looking to Wisler to provide anything more than 2 good years. As soon as he gets expensive he needs to be traded.
If Wisler turns into the next Weaver that's perfectly fine, as long as the Braves do the intelligent thing and trade him away when he has 2 years of control remaining. Which is pretty much how they need to deal with every single pitcher.
GovClintonTyree
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GovClintonTyree
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Billy Beane never won ****.
GovClintonTyree
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I think the bigger problem is the HR/9 rate. But I know one thing - if that change continues to develop, he will improve both.
His fastball/slider are very good, almost always. Good command, as well.
The change is an easy pitch to throw, but it's a tough pitch to feel and throw consistently well.
GovClintonTyree
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They're both coming along. I had my doubts on Mike, but he seems to be harnessing himself a little, pitching smarter. And I always love it when I see young guys out there in the seventh and eighth. That's what separates the men from the boys, IMO.
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I believe in Folty figuring it out more than Wisler (K/9, stuff, etc.) even though I like Wisler more. I would count on Folty having a spot but not Wisler. Most of Wisler's good starts are related to Ender/good outfield plays.
GovClintonTyree
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Yeah, but he might actually have good outfielders out there, with Ender and Mallex. And if he improves his change up, as I suggested above, that's another ground ball, another punchout, .25 HR and maybe a half a walk per 9 better. And now you're talking about a 2-3 starter, for real.
No guarantee that happens, but it's certainly realistic.
GovClintonTyree
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Rather than figuring out economically how to compete on an OAK/TB budget, I think we ought to be identifying our keepers and locking them into long term deals, keeping them in house through their expensive-and-productive years, more akin to St. Louis. Keep the farm system rich and producing, splice in an occasional free agent, use the farm to make shrewd deals to fill needs.
From what our front office is telling us, they're going to have revenue streams befitting a team in the seventh largest market in America. We won't ever be able to outspend copious foolish mistakes like the Yankees, but we should be able to afford some nice things and not deal every player we develop when they approach arbitration and free agency.
I'm not into rooting for a spreadsheet, or the laundry. I'd like to see some guys stick around. Pretty sure A's fans are sick to their stomachs every time they see Josh Donalson in a Jays uniform.