Legal/scotus thread
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50PoundHead
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I don't know how to embed tweets, but Shannon Watts tweeted this: Just a reminder that Susan Collins called on Al Franken to resign without the so-called due process and presumption of innocence that she claimed to be defending today regarding Kavanaugh’s confirmation.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I would imagine that if Kavanaugh had a photo of him doing what he was accused of doing then it would be safe to assume that he would have gotten the boot.
striker42
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That's messed up logic. Seriously messed up.
57Brave
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weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
It will be interesting to see what happens from here. I think one lesson is that people are going to push back on the excesses of the me too movement. The idea that all women or all "survivors" should be believed is absurd. Also, democrats clearly went hyper-partisan in a way the people felt was out of bounds and it bit them in the butt. If I was a democrat I would want to figure out where they went out of bounds and how to correct it. The me too thing is still a big movement and a huge winner for democrats, but they let the extremists have too much influence in this battle. I think they would have been better served by being more fair to the accused.
57Brave
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Nate Silver
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1m1 minute ago
Nate Silver Retweeted Matthew Yglesias
An underrated story here is that all Democratic senators but Manchin will vote to oppose Kavanaugh,
despite a number of them being in very red states.
That suggests that Democrats are quite responsive to their base.
bravesnumberone
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I think one lesson the Republicans are going to learn on Nov. 6 is most women don't take kindly to the patronizing "I believe you, but you don't know what you're talking about. It wasn't him." Maybe they could have toned it down but it's simply ridiculous that the Democrats and activists were the main problem here. The senators that voted yes were always going to vote yes. The senators who voted no, minus Murkowski and maybe Heitkamp and Donnelly, were always going to vote no.
Furthermore, most of the media allowed the Republicans to completely butcher the meaning of the word corroboration and act like this was a thorough investigation. It was a joke and it will continue to be exposed as a joke in the days to come.
bravesnumberone
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If anything, the Democrats weren't hard enough on Kavanaugh in the hearing last week at least. They completely **** the bed and let him walk all over them. When it was going bad for Republicans, Lindsey Graham seized the moment and rallied them. They're a ruthless bunch of ****ers and ultimately it's why they win elections.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
you mean the bad taste photo where he isn't actually touching anyone?
that photo?
or is there actually a photo of something happening that i somehow missed?
Runnin
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The GOP bullied their way through this. It's hard to believe there is no one on the Republican side of the aisle with enough moxie to display some integrity. They showed bigger and more outrage and drew public opinion toward their side, regardless of the immorality behind it. I think they are also showing a total disregard for the public good and further weakening public trust in the government.
That this episode has energized the GOP base to rally more around Trump makes me sick to my stomach.
I think the GOP know what they're doing.
They're making an investment in Kav. I think if there was whatever of a chance there was of him being a surprise swing vote ala Kennedy it went down the drain last week. They help him weather this storm, they will reliably have him in their pocket for any future decisive tiebreak votes.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
bravesnumberone
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It's just hard to tolerate the GOP becoming the party of THIS IS AMERICA. DUE PROCESS when they let a man use the presidency as a political hunting tool. Oh, and LOCK HER UP.
I wonder if Susan Collins would give that speech about presumption of innocence in a court room with a poor person.
I also had to laugh out loud hard at her stunning hypocrisy on dark money. Bitch all you want, Susan. That dark money ain't going away anytime soon with this new court majority.
I wonder if Susan Collins would give that speech about presumption of innocence in a court room with a poor person.
I also had to laugh out loud hard at her stunning hypocrisy on dark money. Bitch all you want, Susan. That dark money ain't going away anytime soon with this new court majority.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Having been around a legislature (although it is at the state level) all my working life, I have seen the Collins "type" before. Plays hard to get, extracts a meaningless pledge for something or another, and then rolls. But, oh, for those moments when their intentions appear to be in doubt. All eyes are upon them.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
I'm not sure I buy Roe v. Wade being overturned, but if it is, what will that say about her legacy?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think Roe will stand, but it will be an empty shell. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of conservatives want Roe to remain in place in name if only simply to keep it as an issue to rally their base.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
As a footnote to all of this, I have been reading Jill Lepore's These Truths and I came across the section that described the fight over Louis Brandeis' nomination to the Supreme Court. It's again a reminder that the painting of the Court as being stacked one side over the other has gone on often in our country's history.