bravesfanMatt
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I am not saying Ozuna isn’t going to sign with us. I feel he liked us and probably wants to come back. I am saying if somehow we miss him then we are pretty much out of options.
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I am not saying Ozuna isn’t going to sign with us. I feel he liked us and probably wants to come back. I am saying if somehow we miss him then we are pretty much out of options.
Southcack77
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Ozuna isn't a very safe bet at all.
Before the half season where he had a career high BABIP (.391 vs career .319) and a career high HR/FB (26.5% vs 16/6%), Ozuna was a 110 wRC+ guy with one outlier big season.
If Ozuna wants to be paid like he's an in his prime 170 wRC+ guy with no risk, it's not going to be in Atlanta on a multi-year deal. As it should not be.
It sucks that the Braves have uncertainty at this point in the season, but it would be better to miss the playoffs next year than take on bad risk.
Signing a guy to a long term contract just to secure his presence in a season where there is no DH doesn't make sense. Particularly when he has no obvious suitors to do that.
Do I think they should probably offer him more than whatever the Rays have on the table (which won't be much). Yeah probably.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Big stretch there chief. It is pretty clear he is risk adverse. To what extent we don’t know. But he hasn’t made a significant trade or signing since he took over. Everything has been safe. We are great up for it because he has been lucky. How long does that luck last though.
this isn't true, but yes we all understand that if every option goes elsewhere, they won't be going to Atlanta.
that doesn't mean you just panic and buy high and sign Ozuna for whatever he's insisting on right now like you seemingly want to do.
Southcack77
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I agree.
I also don't think that AAV is the issue with signing Ozuna so I don't think those acquisitions have much to do with why he hasn't been signed.
Taking on risk just to be to able to say you are the third favorite in the NL in April doesn't really make a lot of sense.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Everyone is saying Ozuna this. Ozuna that. We could have signed others this offseason for what they signed for and not been in a position to have to offer Ozuna a big contract or miss the playoffs.
right, totally, he's way too risk-averse. should've gotten Donaldson done early last offseason. that would've ended up great.
who? who did you want so badly?
it's like you're a child who just wants temporary excitement at any cost.
exactly. people just want that jolt of excitement at seeing their team in the headlines.
i'd rather the team not be saddled with a bad contract just to make myself feel better for a few days.
tululush
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I agree, and if AA is so risk averse offer a shorter term deal with higher AAV.
Even if we sign nobody, Ender won’t be starting a playoff game. Waters should be ready by then if we’re not signing anyone. I’m more concerned about the regular season. If Ender is starting at all it should be due to injury or giving someone a rest.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Joc. Brantley and springer were all signed to reasonable contracts. And we can all say they wanted to go to X team but we all know money talks.
we all agree AA needs to sign a bat or three. we all seem to agree one of them needs to be a big one.
there aren't *that* many suitors for Ozuna right now. his asking price is high. with the lack of suitors, and as other affordable deals come in (Pederson for $7M to be a starter), Ozuna's price will likely come down. maybe it hasn't yet. maybe it hasn't come down enough. maybe he's still demanding 4/$88. so do the whiners want AA to sign him for 4/$88, a deal no other team has so far been willing to match, and is the tippy-top of his value, just because they want to see a move made?
AA hasn't left the team high and dry yet. so far, each offseason, he's had a plan, and it's worked out. i assume he has a plan, and i'm glad he doesn't panic and sign someone at their first, highest ask.
there aren't *that* many suitors for Ozuna right now. his asking price is high. with the lack of suitors, and as other affordable deals come in (Pederson for $7M to be a starter), Ozuna's price will likely come down. maybe it hasn't yet. maybe it hasn't come down enough. maybe he's still demanding 4/$88. so do the whiners want AA to sign him for 4/$88, a deal no other team has so far been willing to match, and is the tippy-top of his value, just because they want to see a move made?
AA hasn't left the team high and dry yet. so far, each offseason, he's had a plan, and it's worked out. i assume he has a plan, and i'm glad he doesn't panic and sign someone at their first, highest ask.
Joc wanted to start and is in Chicago.
Brantley wanted to stay in Houston.
no thanks on Springer's deal.
if all of them signed reasonable contracts, what makes you think Ozuna won't sign a more reasonable contract than 4/$88m? that's not a reasonable contract. so why sign him to it when that's his current ask?
Southcack77
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While it is true that his expected stats did not show a lot of luck in his results last season, Ozuna's performance in a very strange year was in every way a statistical outlier to his career at large.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/marcell-ozuna-542303?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb
So maybe a contract year and being a full time DH leveled Ozuna up as a hitter for the back half of his career. Or maybe he just saw the ball astonishingly well for one half season at the end of his athletic prime.
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how do you know he hasn't and Ozuna's agent said no?
you do realize AA can't just make players sign with Atlanta, right?
Southcack77
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He signed Josh Donaldson, Marcel Ozuna, Cole Hamels, among others, to expensive deals. How is that not taking risk or making a significant signing?
In your view, moves are only risky or significant if you are wagering the entire competitive window on them?
this is another thing.
Ozuna is coming off an insane year with the bat. the kind of year he's never even come close to producing. he's trying to capitalize on that. but by no means should AA just cave to his demands. his asking price is going to come down. i don't blame him for starting high, and i don't blame AA for saying no thanks at those dollars.
if AA signed Ozuna for let's say 4/$82 and he produces a 109 wRC+ as the DH in the first year....there will be a *ton* of whining about it.
if you could guarantee me that Ozuna would be a 160 or higher wRC+ hitter for 2 of the 4 years, sure, sign him for what he's asking.
it's far more likely he reverts back to that 110 range for the majority of the deal. in which case he's well overpaid and underwhelming as a DH.
it's far more likely he reverts back to that 110 range for the majority of the deal. in which case he's well overpaid and underwhelming as a DH.
tululush
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This is a fair point. If he has two offers on the table: a one year deal from Tampa and a one/two year offer from Atlanta, still hasn’t signed bc he wants more years and/or money, then wait him out.