McCann clears waivers
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Hence the offer I mentioned. If the Yankees ate $14 million, that makes Mac a 2 year/$20 million player for us. Given the fact that we hold an option on Flowers for 2018, that would give us a good tandem of strong framers with pop from both sides. That number for Mac is pretty close to what I recall Castro supporters saying they'd pay for him, and if we could get Mac for that money instead I bet they'd prefer him.
Which Pitchers are included is really just window dressing on our end - as mentioned before, none of the elite names. Maybe just give them a list of Ellis, Whalen, De La Cruz, and Dirks, Hursh, and Kinman and let them pick one of the SPs and one of the RPs.
I just don't see them taking Markakis' money with the players they already have in place. A. J. would be a must for me though - he could be their 3rd Catcher for the rest of the season. He'd be just an emergency option since they'd be using Romine and Sanchez most of the time - that's the way they're already set up with Mac (to an extent) anyway.
I know how many people hate Pierzynski around here, but the players obviously have warmed to him even if the fans haven't. I'd imagine the brass would prefer not to be the ones to release him if there's a way around it.
PurpleBrave
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Do players not on the 25 man roster have to clear waivers too?
Can prospects be traded?
Can prospects be traded?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I believe guys on the 40 man roster have to clear waivers. Others can be traded without restriction.
It may be possible to include guys on the 40 man roster as players to be named later. I'm not sure if that is an available loophole to avoid exposing someone on the 40 man roster to waiver claims.
Pretty sure everyone on 40-Man rosters must clear.
The odds are that option year will either have to be excersized to approve a trade or Mac would reach it organically, as it's easily obtainable unless he's DHing half the time in 2018. So it's really a 3/49 contract. If the Yankees don't want to include any money I would pass, much less give anything of value. If they want to include 14-16M and that become around a 3/34 contract then I would look to sell high on some low ceiling pitchers like Ellis, Whalen, Gant etc... and work out a trade for him.
At the right price Mac could be an ideal acquisition for many reasons. At an overpay it's a bad idea and we need to move on.
At the right price Mac could be an ideal acquisition for many reasons. At an overpay it's a bad idea and we need to move on.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
My thoughts on this have not changed. The Braves have a young pitching staff that needs a strong, veteran presence at catcher to lead them. Someone that can call a good game, frame pitches well, and help them develop. That veteran is NOT AJ Pierzinski. I think Brian McCann is ideal for this young staff. He's not what he was, but he's still a strong defender. The combo of McCann and Flowers would give the Braves two strong defensive catchers going forward.
nsacpi
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Having a strong #2 like Flowers should allow the team to reduce McCann's workload, which in turn should help him stay stronger over the course of the season. Looking at his splits (career OPS of .819 against righties and .752 against lefties), it would make sense to have something fairly close to a platoon arrangement between him and Flowers. A lot of catchers do decline steeply over the course of their age 33-35 seasons, which makes it important to manage McCann's workload carefully.
Hudson2
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McCann would fill several needs. Them opening the new stadium with McCann in the starting lineup would generate a lot of buzz. But it all comes down to money. If they won't budge on what prospect and how much they'll eat then I'd just go hard after Ramos this offseason.
As well they should. In that case, I'd pass as well.
The stumbling block for them could be his no-trade clause, which could play in our favor (as mentioned earlier). I still don't think they'll "give him away", but do think they'll have a tough time getting him to agree to go elsewhere without getting that 2019 option guaranteed. I do think he'll come back here without that happening.
Really think it comes down to how bad Cashman wants to move him. In the end my guess is that he realizes that getting a couple of arms with the upside that those we've tossed around have is worth it - probably going to be tough to get anyone to pick up that option, much less someone he'll agree to go to.
nsacpi
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We need to reach a meeting of the minds with the Yankees about a few matters:
1) A reasonable projection for McCann's production for the next 3 years. I think something like 2.5, 1.5, 1.0 WAR is reasonable, for a total of 5.
2) Assuming his option vests, he is due to be paid a total of 49M over the next three years. At the going rate of about 7M per win, that works out to 7 wins.
3) So he is being paid for 7 wins and projected to generate 5.
4) An offer of a couple second-tier arms (along the lines of Ellis, Janas, Dirks) represents an overpay on our part. They should be grateful for our generosity and offer to pick up 5M or so of his contract.
5) We are in the driver's seat here given McCann's no-trade. The Yankees will likely have trouble getting him to waive his no-trade for most other teams.
1) A reasonable projection for McCann's production for the next 3 years. I think something like 2.5, 1.5, 1.0 WAR is reasonable, for a total of 5.
2) Assuming his option vests, he is due to be paid a total of 49M over the next three years. At the going rate of about 7M per win, that works out to 7 wins.
3) So he is being paid for 7 wins and projected to generate 5.
4) An offer of a couple second-tier arms (along the lines of Ellis, Janas, Dirks) represents an overpay on our part. They should be grateful for our generosity and offer to pick up 5M or so of his contract.
5) We are in the driver's seat here given McCann's no-trade. The Yankees will likely have trouble getting him to waive his no-trade for most other teams.
bravesfanforlife88
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I'm a little worried about his numbers overall and production going forward. Yankee Stadium is perfect for him with the short porch in right.......who knows if Suntrust will play similar. Could turn out to be a much for expensive version of AJP
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
Except McCann is a better leader and will handle the young pitchers much better.
After looking up McCann's PA's the last two years he had 527 in 2014 and 517 in 2015. The 3rd year option would kick in if he acquired a combined 1,000 PA for 2018/2019. We could use Flowers to keep his PA down next year if he agreed to be traded without having to excersize the 3rd year. I don't know if he will or not, but if we could avoid having to pick up that 3rd year he looks a lot more appealing.
One thing you have to consider - SunTrust's dimensions were set with Freeman in mind. Not much reason to worry that Mac would struggle more there in that case IMO.
375 in right center vs. 390 at The Ted
325 in the RF corner vs. 330 at The Ted
The 16 foot wall might cause a few of their HRs to turn into 2Bs, but probably won't change things too significantly.
Trumps' twitter guy
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This is true. I am sure there are titties that McCann doesn't like.
dak
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For me, the Braves decision should be between Castro, McCann, and Norris. The combination of injury concerns and a QO for Ramos would make me hesitant. Wieters has multiple concerns (Boras, performance decline, poor pitch framer). McCann is the best hitter, Castro the best defender (by virtue of his excellent pitch framing skills), and Norris brings a nice balance of both as a buy-low guy. I'm sure the Braves tried to ascertain the prices of both McCann and Norris at the trade deadline. I'd like to see them wait on a decision until free agency so they can gauge the price on Castro before making a decision.
At this point, I still lean toward Castro. He's a guy that should sit against LHP, but that's not a huge concern for the Braves with Flowers. If the Padre's inability to move Norris at the deadline was an indication of his market, I'd probably lean toward him as the second choice. Great bounce-back candidate as a guy who's performed very well prior to this year and is just 27.
At this point, I still lean toward Castro. He's a guy that should sit against LHP, but that's not a huge concern for the Braves with Flowers. If the Padre's inability to move Norris at the deadline was an indication of his market, I'd probably lean toward him as the second choice. Great bounce-back candidate as a guy who's performed very well prior to this year and is just 27.
zbhargrove
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Yah its hard to get excited about any of the real options here. I'd stay furthest away from Wieters for the reasons you mentioned... he's still living basically on hype from when he was the big can't miss prospect... he will get paid way more than he's ever been or ever will be worth. Especially since he's not much of a defender. Hard not to love what Ramos has done this year, but man what a prolific injury history. He's still fairly young... 29 next year, but with his injury history 29 sounds pretty old. He's also never had a performance remotely close to this and has a .353 BABIP... not sure about his defensive skills but all those red flags on offense just scream stay away IMO. He's going to get paid a ton more than he's worth. Not excited about Norris at all... love Castro's defense and has some power upside, especially if platooned. With Flowers around he may be the best option. I'm okay with McCann if we can get him on the cheap, but I am very hesitant to give much talent for him given he's shown signs of decline in the past 3 years and he's getting towards the rapid decline stage most catchers face.