NBA Thread

[jpx7]

Chicago i dont think had the cap room either, and LBJ was only taking short-term deals.

Correct. Gasol took a huge discount to sign, for instance. Prior to that, cap-room was the reason the Bulls were trying to trade for Carmelo early in the summer, then extent him; he also would've needed to take a sizable discount to sign with Chicago (and, in retrospect, I'm somewhat glad he didn't).

 

[gilesfan]

Where is Davis impact on their actual defense?

8 points worse on defense. A ton

 

[thethe]

Correct. Gasol took a huge discount to sign, for instance. Prior to that, cap-room was the reason the Bulls were trying to trade for Carmelo early in the summer, then extent him; he also would've needed to take a sizable discount to sign with Chicago (and, in retrospect, I'm somewhat glad he didn't).

Somewhat? Bulls wouldn't be nearly as good as they are now if they had Melo instead of Gasol. Dodged a HUGE bullet there.

 

[Heyward]

You're missing the point, you go all-in on anything Thunder/Brave/SF but you "don't buy" Anthony Davis. That's ****ing hilarious.

Also, Harden is a better 2 way player than Butler this year as he ranks 2nd in D Win Shares and is a worlds better offensive player.

LOL Harden still sucks on defense.

Stop it.

He averages 5 more PPG while taking way more shots than Butler and cant hold a handle to Butler's defense.

 

[Heyward]

The lulz

Laugh all you want, defensively he's great.

Offensively he is much improved and you could very well argue it.

 

[chop2chip]

RPM is relatively new but I think its promising.

B-ref has his defensive rating at 102 and that gets down to a points allowed metric. I think it shows he has much to learn. Now with his ability he can get there easily but he has a long ways to go.

But hey, we could use RPM if you want. Andre Roberson is the 24th best player in the league! I WAS RIGHT!!

Instead of taking the bait to argue Roberson, let's just address the issue that you said Butler > Davis.

I think a better argument might be whether or not Durant is better than him. Because that's BECOMING a legit debate.

It's pretty apparent imo that he's going to be LBJ's successor as the top dog in the league.

 

[gilesfan]

LOL Harden still sucks on defense.

Stop it.

Do u even watch basketball?

 

[thethe]

Instead of taking the bait to argue Roberson, let's just address the issue that you said Butler > Davis.

I think a better argument might be whether or not Durant is better than him. Because that's BECOMING a legit debate.

It's pretty apparent imo that he's going to be LBJ's successor as the top dog in the league.

Its possible but only until Davis learns an effective post game since he can't initiate offense off the dribble.

I'm not worried though because KD has proven himself to be a generational type player. You guys take Davis and I'll take KD every single day.

 

[gilesfan]

Laugh all you want, defensively he's great.

Offensively he is much improved and you could very well argue it.

You called him the best player in basketball unless there s a third way

 

[thethe]

You called him the best player in basketball unless there s a third way

He said 2 way player. Thats a bit different.

 

[Heyward]

Do u even watch basketball?

Harden is improved on defense but he is not a better 2-way player than Butler, stop.

 

[gilesfan]

He said 2 way player. Thats a bit different.

So he's the best player at playing offense + defense. Is there anything else?

 

[Heyward]

You called him the best player in basketball unless there s a third way

I said best 2-way player which involves defense.

With LBJ declining, im not sure who is the best now.

 

[gilesfan]

I said best 2-way player which involves defense.

With LBJ declining, im not sure who is the best now.

Wtf is the third way?

 

[chop2chip]

Its possible but only until Davis learns an effective post game since he can't initiate offense off the dribble.

I'm not worried though because KD has proven himself to be a generational type player. You guys take Davis and I'll take KD every single day.

You are right that he can improve. However, he is easily the best PNR big guy in the league which matters so much more in 2014 than back to the basket peach basket basketball.

He's a better version of what KG was in his prime which is insane.

Also just so you know, I love Durant. He's incredible. You wouldn't be wrong for taking him over Davis or LeBron. He's the best version ever of what he is.

 

[thethe]

So he's the best player at playing offense + defense. Is there anything else?

Its not an aggregation. Its having a player that you can rely on for both sides of the ball.

 

[chop2chip]

Wtf is the third way?

jump balls

 

[gilesfan]

So butler is the best player when uncombine offense and defense? Lul

 

[thethe]

You are right that he can improve. However, he is easily the best PNR big guy in the league which matters so much more in 2014 than back to the basket peach basket basketball.

He's a better version of what KG was in his prime which is insane.

Also just so you know, I love Durant. He's incredible. You wouldn't be wrong for taking him over Davis or LeBron. He's the best version ever of what he is.

Hold on now in terms of offensively comparing him to KG. KG came to the league with the ability to post up as well as set up his teammates. Overall, Davis has the potential to be better than KG but right now he isn't there yet. KG was a phenomenal player.

 

[thethe]

So butler is the best player when uncombine offense and defense? Lul

Stop it GF. You know the argument. "2 way player" is a highly used term among basketball analysts.