New Manager Discussion

Krgrecw said:
Athletic mentioned Tony Vitello. He’s been linked to the Giants opening as well.
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He needs to stay in Knoxville. The college game is completely different - the major component of winning is assembling a team (dirty nasty recruiting and forking over bags of cash)- the Braves need a foremost expert at tactical decision making and getting numbskulls to make smart in game decisions - like “don’t swing on 3-1 count with the bases loaded to a pitcher that is going to spike one in the dirt” —- looking at you Ozzie and MH2…..
 
Hulavol said:
He needs to stay in Knoxville. The college game is completely different - the major component of winning is assembling a team (dirty nasty recruiting and forking over bags of cash)- the Braves need a foremost expert at tactical decision making and getting numbskulls to make smart in game decisions - like “don’t swing on 3-1 count with the bases loaded to a pitcher that is going to spike one in the dirt” —- looking at you Ozzie and MH2…..
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Man. The game(s) this summer where Ozzie and MH2 looked like they had never played baseball before when the team was threatening to score late was truly some of the worst baseball I have ever seen.
 
thewupk said:
Man. The game(s) this summer where Ozzie and MH2 looked like they had never played baseball before when the team was threatening to score late was truly some of the worst baseball I have ever seen.
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Hard truth

They are allergic to taking ball four

Ozzie still thinks he can get a bat on every pitch that’s ever been thrown
 
Carp said:
That just seems weird that MLB teams would be highly interested in hiring a college coach. How often does that happen? This isn't the NFL where scheme can matter a ton to a teams success. It's basically just filling out the lineup card, managing the SP and BP usage, making late game substitutions, and managing egos. That's a bit simplistic obviously and I'm not going to pretend that just anyone can do it, but I just don't see the appeal that a college coach brings that you don't get from someone like Schumaker, Baldelli, Melvin, etc.
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I’d think it would be easier for a college coach to make the transition to MLB than it would for a college coach to the NfL would.

Tennessee and SEC baseball is on par with the low minors.
 
Vitello also currently gets paid equivalent to something like the #13 MLB manager, so you'd probably be paying top dollar for somewhat of a gamble, and it's not traditional to hire from college at all, so if it doesn't work, you'd look stupid.
 
Krgrecw said:
I’d think it would be easier for a college coach to make the transition to MLB than it would for a college coach to the NfL would.

Tennessee and SEC baseball is on par with the low minors.
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I'm sure it would be easier. I just don't get the allure of hiring a college coach to manage an MLB manager.
 
drewdat said:
Vitello also currently gets paid equivalent to something like the #13 MLB manager, so you'd probably be paying top dollar for somewhat of a gamble, and it's not traditional to hire from college at all, so if it doesn't work, you'd look stupid.
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If it worked so well, you'd see a lot more teams going in the direction of the college ranks for managers. I know that teams swoop into the college ranks for coaches and instructors. Wes Johnson who was the Twins' pitching coach from 2019 until 2022 comes to mind and he came to the Twins from the Arkansas coaching staff. He returned to college ball to be the pitching coach at LSU for a year before becoming the Georgia head coach.

The difference between the games has a lot to do with the age of the players. It's one thing to manage 18-to-21 year-olds but another thing entirely to manage guys in their late-20s and early-30s. Plus, in college you actually get to assemble your team and can inculcate your methods without having to work within a framework that might have been set up without your direct input. I would shy away from bringing in a college coach at this point for the Braves.
 
I'd say Walt Weiss is the heavy favorite at this point. The Braves as an organization love stability and a handoff to Weiss with largely the same staff would be in line with that.

The Braves also like to promote from within. Fredi was promoted after Cox retired. Snitker was promoted after we parted ways with Fredi.

My longshot candidate is Kanekoa Texeira. He's come up through our system as a coach and has managed at 3 different levels over the last 5 years.
 
striker42 said:
I'd say Walt Weiss is the heavy favorite at this point. The Braves as an organization love stability and a handoff to Weiss with largely the same staff would be in line with that.

The Braves also like to promote from within. Fredi was promoted after Cox retired. Snitker was promoted after we parted ways with Fredi.

My longshot candidate is Kanekoa Texeira. He's come up through our system as a coach and has managed at 3 different levels over the last 5 years.
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Entirely different front office between now and then. Also, Fredi was essentially hand picked by Bobby Cox. And Snit was a Braves lifer that had the interim tag before being made the permanent manager.
 
Carp said:
Entirely different front office between now and then. Also, Fredi was essentially hand picked by Bobby Cox. And Snit was a Braves lifer that had the interim tag before being made the permanent manager.
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And the front office wanted to fire him but Markakis and Freddie went to bat for Snit then the scandal happened and all of Snit’s enemies were fired.

Makes you wonder who leaked the story… hmmm
 
Carp said:
Entirely different front office between now and then. Also, Fredi was essentially hand picked by Bobby Cox. And Snit was a Braves lifer that had the interim tag before being made the permanent manager.
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Terry McGurik was in charge of the Braves well before Cox retired and he's still at the helm.

Also, culture can continue through the tenures of different leaders. In fact businesses tend to hire leaders that fit the company's culture. The Braves have a very defined culture that they actively implement throughout the organization. So individuals already steeped in that culture will be seen as better fits than outsiders. I'd be very surprised if we hired someone who hadn't had some experience with the club.

I think Weiss will be attractive to the Braves leadership as someone who already knows how the Braves do things and who will provide continuity. Whether Weiss is a good choice is an entirely different question. I just think he's the odds on favorite.
 
striker42 said:
Terry McGurik was in charge of the Braves well before Cox retired and he's still at the helm.

Also, culture can continue through the tenures of different leaders. In fact businesses tend to hire leaders that fit the company's culture. The Braves have a very defined culture that they actively implement throughout the organization. So individuals already steeped in that culture will be seen as better fits than outsiders. I'd be very surprised if we hired someone who hadn't had some experience with the club.

I think Weiss will be attractive to the Braves leadership as someone who already knows how the Braves do things and who will provide continuity. Whether Weiss is a good choice is an entirely different question. I just think he's the odds on favorite.
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I will bet you any amount of money Weiss isn’t the next manager.

And if he is, we can forget about all these theories that Snitker was forced out.
 
Pat Murphy first made his name as a college coach, but he's been out of the college game for so long that I don't think you can count him as a "college to the pros" success story.
 
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